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AP & Honors classes to be partly decided by skin color, not intelligence?
Posted on 8/8/17 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 8/8/17 at 5:28 pm
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By Todd Starnes Published August 08, 2017 Fox News
A Virginia high sent a disturbing letter to parents and students announcing they would be selecting students for Advanced Placement and honors classes at least partly based on skin color, a concerned parent told Fox News.
A parent forwarded me a copy of the letter sent from John Handley High School in Winchester.
“Through our collective work, advanced classes such as AP and Honors will have proportional representation,” read the letter. “Proportional representation is 40% White, 35% Hispanic, 12% African American, 10% mixed race.”
The letter went on to explain that public schools across the country “continue to see outcomes that are disproportionate by race and social class.”
“American demographic trends indicate that America will be a majority minority nation in the next 25 years,” the letter read. “Therefore, the new work of American public schools is to develop systems to address disparate outcomes.”
Interesting -- I thought the work of American public schools was to teach kids how to read, write, multiply and divide.
By Todd Starnes Published August 08, 2017 Fox News
A Virginia high sent a disturbing letter to parents and students announcing they would be selecting students for Advanced Placement and honors classes at least partly based on skin color, a concerned parent told Fox News.
A parent forwarded me a copy of the letter sent from John Handley High School in Winchester.
“Through our collective work, advanced classes such as AP and Honors will have proportional representation,” read the letter. “Proportional representation is 40% White, 35% Hispanic, 12% African American, 10% mixed race.”
The letter went on to explain that public schools across the country “continue to see outcomes that are disproportionate by race and social class.”
“American demographic trends indicate that America will be a majority minority nation in the next 25 years,” the letter read. “Therefore, the new work of American public schools is to develop systems to address disparate outcomes.”
Interesting -- I thought the work of American public schools was to teach kids how to read, write, multiply and divide.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 5:42 pm to Crimson Wraith
What percent is Asian?
Posted on 8/8/17 at 5:50 pm to Crimson Wraith
Wow.
Lowest common denominator
Lowest common denominator
Posted on 8/8/17 at 5:55 pm to Crimson Wraith
Principals email:
dufrene@wps.k12.va.us
Would've just called and bitched em out but they aren't there right now.
dufrene@wps.k12.va.us
Would've just called and bitched em out but they aren't there right now.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:00 pm to Crimson Wraith
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public schools
Government Schools
Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:19 pm to Crimson Wraith
Forty f*cking years after Bakke and they still refuse to give up on OBVIOUSLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL and PURELY RACIST quotas.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:33 pm to Crimson Wraith
quote:Let that sink in for a while.
“Therefore, the new work of American public schools is to develop systems to address disparate outcomes.”
Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:40 pm to Crimson Wraith
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Proportional representation is 40% White
Is it though? I thought this country was 67% white.
So we will be treated equal, just have to be twice as smart and work twice as hard?
ETA:
quote:
The non-Hispanic White percentage (63% in 2012[5])
What about majority black or Hispanic schools. Are they going to be stuck with their representation even if the schools is higher?
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:43 pm to Crimson Wraith
Just FYI. Todd Starnes is probably the biggest "fake news" columnist at Fox. He consistently writes inaccurate stories, makes them overly dramatic, and too often only presents one side of the story without much effort put into the other side.
He took a social media post some mother some months back about her son's school, and ran with the story as it was fact, when it wasn't. If he had attempted to get the other side of the story, like a professional, then that would have been avoided.
Anyways, this article is ridiculous:
Not only does it look like it could have been created by the parent, it's odd the parent went to Todd Starnes and not local.
But that I find to be the biggest red flag are the racial quotas in relation to the student population:
Virginia School Quality Report for John Handley High School
So with 13.1% African Americans enrolled, they are actually going to make their quota (12%) smaller than the enrollment. And the only group they are going to make larger is Hispanic? Then again why would they even make there quotas since it's actually not that far from their proportion of student population (46% white; 30% Hispanic; 13% AA; 2% Asian; 1% American Indian; 7% two or more races).
ETA: It's a vision statement reflecting the districts demographic profile, and racial quotas were deemed impermissible by SCOTUS.
He took a social media post some mother some months back about her son's school, and ran with the story as it was fact, when it wasn't. If he had attempted to get the other side of the story, like a professional, then that would have been avoided.
Anyways, this article is ridiculous:
quote:Why would AP classes be decided by intelligence? They are usually, or almost always based on achievement, and intelligence is an important part of that, but not the sole part. In other words, his title implies that one's IQ is the standard to get into an AP class. Gifted services and special education are pretty much the only time those are used in school. So that's a strange way to title it.
School: AP and Honors classes will be decided by skin color, not intelligence
quote:And here we go again. He posts a picture of the alleged letter:
“Through our collective work, advanced classes such as AP and Honors will have proportional representation,” read the letter. “Proportional representation is 40% White, 35% Hispanic, 12% African American, 10% mixed race.
Not only does it look like it could have been created by the parent, it's odd the parent went to Todd Starnes and not local.
But that I find to be the biggest red flag are the racial quotas in relation to the student population:
Virginia School Quality Report for John Handley High School
So with 13.1% African Americans enrolled, they are actually going to make their quota (12%) smaller than the enrollment. And the only group they are going to make larger is Hispanic? Then again why would they even make there quotas since it's actually not that far from their proportion of student population (46% white; 30% Hispanic; 13% AA; 2% Asian; 1% American Indian; 7% two or more races).
ETA: It's a vision statement reflecting the districts demographic profile, and racial quotas were deemed impermissible by SCOTUS.
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:44 pm to Crimson Wraith
America doesn't have any Asian people?
Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:45 pm to Crimson Wraith
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address disparate outcomes.”
There it is
Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:46 pm to Crimson Wraith
I took AP/GT classes and my classes were mostly white with maybe a black or two and a hispanic sprinkled in
Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:47 pm to Crimson Wraith
AP courses are open to anybody choosing to enroll. College Board has very strict rules about turning students away. College Board's motives are financial and they will not let high school counselors get in their way. Honors courses would have to be dumbed down to accommodate students, white, black, green, or purple, if they're not smart enough to be in the class.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:47 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Just FYI. Todd Starnes is probably the biggest "fake news" columnist at Fox. He consistently writes inaccurate stories, makes them overly dramatic, and too often only presents one side of the story without much effort put into the other side.
When you can't defend the content, attack the source.
You be you
Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:55 pm to MrLarson
quote:It's Todd Starnes and a parent v. the word of the school. And when Todd Starnes reported on a story that was a parent v. School last, it was shown that his report was factually inaccurate.
When you can't defend the content, attack the source.
So the source is definitely important, especially since there is no other source or anyone of the 1200+ students' parents confirming the story.
I mean isn't it odd this parent started with Starnes? Isn't it also odd that the snapshot of the letter doesn't show any official letterhead, signature, etc. that would at least me it look like it's an official letter from the school.
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:01 pm to buckeye_vol
Todd Starnes, bless his heart, is just dumb and easily fooled.
AP classes are, in most places, ELECTIVES these days. I taught AP classes for 35 years and taught prospective and experienced AP teachers in summer institutes for the College Board (and still do). Some districts may well be trying to get more minorities to ELECT AP classes which is a good goal. I'm willing to bet that no district is trying to enforce quotas on AP classes.
AP classes are, in most places, ELECTIVES these days. I taught AP classes for 35 years and taught prospective and experienced AP teachers in summer institutes for the College Board (and still do). Some districts may well be trying to get more minorities to ELECT AP classes which is a good goal. I'm willing to bet that no district is trying to enforce quotas on AP classes.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:03 pm to wickowick
Kinda makes this story seem like BS, right?
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:04 pm to MrLarson
And furthermore, if they had written the letter and sent it to a bunch of parents, then it makes no sense to completely deny something that would have irrefutable proof IF it was legitimate:
It's an outright refusal, for something that would make things worse IF they had actually sent a letter.
quote:I mean this isn't a typical excuse to "promote diversity" or what we the basis would be.
“Our school division does not have, nor has it ever had, any policy that utilizes race for enrollment into honors or AP courses. All students, regardless of race, must meet academic criteria to enroll in advanced level coursework. Over the past years, the School Board has continued its focus on providing advanced level coursework as well as increasing advanced course offerings across a variety of disciplines. The School Board has not contemplated, nor adopted, any policy or practice that utilizes race in determining which students can or cannot take such courses, or any other courses for that matter,” the spokesperson said.
It's an outright refusal, for something that would make things worse IF they had actually sent a letter.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:06 pm to adavis
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AP courses are open to anybody choosing to enroll. College Board has very strict rules about turning students away. College Board's motives are financial and they will not let high school counselors get in their way. Honors courses would have to be dumbed down to accommodate students, white, black, green, or purple, if they're not smart enough to be in the class.
In my school district you had to test your way into it for History/Social Studies, Math, and Science. Then for English it was a bit different. Your English track was decided before 3rd grade in Elementary School with a test you took. Those who scored highest were put in the GT track, which is what I ended up in, then AP English for those who didn't score high enough for GT but higher than most kids in the student population
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