re: Car salesman can SMD

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Where else are people supposed to buy new cars?

I'd seriously rather buy another house than another car.

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If the experience isn't to your liking, walk out. You aren't required to wait for hours if you don't choose to.

I just find it funny that people want to low ball the dealership then cry about being "gamed." It's a two way game.

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I figured he was joking about the "fricking people over" line. I understand they have to make a profit, but he has to understand that customers like me, who want to politely minimize that profit, are not "assholes."

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He was using the ridiculous idea of "fricking people over" that's been posted in this thread.

Customers expect the salesman to get nothing, the manager to get nothing, the F&I guy to get nothing and the dealership to get minimum, yet complain they are getting "fricked over."

You're close. I picture it as a tug of war over a small pot of money on the table (say 10% of the price) May the better salesman win it. Maybe the car salesman wins it with some and only wins a small portion of it with others - this is why people play this game. Lack of trust. We know any car salesman that says "I promise you, this is the best I can do" is lying the first three times they say it.

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"I promise you, this is the best I can do" is lying the first three times they say it.

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It usually is. Many times it takes a MGR to go below a certain amount.

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Can I recommend doing the deal over the phone

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Have done this. Takes even longer cause it takes an hour or more to get a call back with the answer to any question.

I don't understand why salesman can't have the authority to negotiate the price themselves. That would cut out SO MUCH of the bullshite. Tell the salesman, "this car cost us $15,000. Anything above that is profit and where your commission comes from. If you sell the car for $15,000 you don't make commission."

The entire car buying process is fricked. Way too many scum bags involved.

Well to be fair, not everyone understands sales in any shape or form. At all. Car salesmen have to deal with everyone from business executives to kids who barely have a pot to piss in and not enough brain to figure out which side of it actually holds the piss.

Reasonable people know that the dealership has to make money to stay open and they're going to make as much as they can. The issue I have with them is the car salesmen are often not very smart, not very knowledgeable about the product, and have shitty attitudes. The good ones know the product reasonably well, can read the customer reasonably well, and won't feed someone like me a massive pile of bullshite while negotiating.

When I get mad with them is when they start trying to keep me there. I'm going to make you, as the salesmen, make a decision on whether or not it's worth it to you to either take the margin/commission that I've put on the table, or keep the car while my money and I are still on the market elsewhere. It's fricking simple. You think you'll get more for it? Good, go get it. Call me back if you change your mind. Simple as that. That is the single decision that you as a car salesmen ever have to make. fricking make it and let's both move on. I go try to find another car, you go try to find another customer.

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I'm in the process of buying a new or slightly used vehicle. I've decided on an SUV. I've looked at internet prices. Are you saying I can avoid all the bull shite and negotiate thru email instead of in person?

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You can avoid wasting an entire day by getting the price agreed upon before you show up. That won't stop them from trying to screw you over. You still need to be prepared to walk away.

How do these rules change(if it all) for a used car?


Looking at getting a 17 slightly used car in next few months. Seen a ton online with under 10,000 miles.