re: Car salesman can SMD

I don't think some customers would have this hard arse attitude towards dealerships if there wasn't a history of dealerships trying to frick people over.

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Customers expect the salesman to get nothing, the manager to get nothing, the F&I guy to get nothing and the dealership to get minimum, yet complain they are getting "fricked over."

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As was stated by someone earlier, the majority of customers that walk onto the lot are layovers, and these types of "hardasses" are few and far between. I even know one GM of a Chrysler store that chooses not to deal with them at all. It fricks that "hardass" customer up when he is asked to leave after making his low ball offer.

Roger, you know damn well that a lot of these guys are making a lot more than they should. The GM doesn't need to be making $400k; the Sales Manager doesn't need to be making $250k a year; the finance director doesn't need to make $220k a year; the finance guy doesn't need to be making $140k; the salesman don't need to make over $100k a year. And these are real world numbers from a decent sized dealer in La.

I agree that people need to make money, but a car salesman is not supposed to make more than my kid's pediatrician. But, this is what happens when you're paying people to do whatever it takes to bust the customer's head.

Also, I'd be willing to bet that I can find the legal definition of fraud in more than 95% of car deals.

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Also, I'd be willing to bet that I can find the legal definition of fraud in more than 95% of car deals.

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idk about that, but fraud is a part of 95% of dealerships' business model

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How do these rules change(if it all) for a used car?


Looking at getting a 17 slightly used car in next few months. Seen a ton online with under 10,000 miles.


Used cars have generally more markup in them. However, there is no Zillow or Realtor to see the price history of the vehicle. I typically look up NADA and not KBB for the south when evaluating a used vehicle.

You also have to consider if the vehicle is certified pre-owned. It's a fancy way for the dealership to charge new car pricing on a used vehicle. Akin to if you walk into a Best Buy and see one of those stupid certified stickers from the geek squad.

Check NADA and assume they have it for 20-30% less then that.

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This answer looks like it came from a guy who watched a 15 minute netflix documentary on the pricing of used cars written and directed by an Economist that has never been around the business.

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A lot more than they should? WHo decides this? Why shouldn't people make decent money?

Those figures don't hold up across the industry. Most Salesmen don't come close to 100k

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Because there is a direct correlation between the amount of pay and how hard you fricked people. I don't have a problem when the correlation is based on how hardwork, education, the value provided, etc.

Generally, that sales manager makes 250 a year bc he is willing to commit credit app fraud, pack deals, and use his salesman to manipulate the dumb customers.

Generally, that salesman is making over $100k bc he is will to do anything, from lying through his teeth to photoshopping a customer's poi to show that they make $6,000 a month as a cashier at the local Piggly 7/11.

Finally, and also generally, that finance guy is making $140k bc he has packed a deal; lied to the dumb customer about the bank requiring certain back-end products in order to finance them; had a ton of leg room penciled into the deal; begged a shady loan officer, who also works on commission, to give more money in the back so he can bust Shanekwaz arse with a 600% markup on warranty, gap, credit life, etc; and so on and so forth.

In summation, I'm not a hater and have 0 issue with a person getting paid well for the right reasons. If it is because you work harder or work smarter or provide a better service or are a marketing genius, you deserve every dollar that you can make.

However, if the majority of the tactics used to make the money could actually land you in prison, then I don't think you deserve to be compensated that well.

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Actually for a year after Katrina I sold cars at Ray Brandt Toyota

I was at the dealership when the new FJ cruiser hit the marker.

Edit: To put it in perspective, when I was there they were building the new dealership (that isnt so new now).

I realized quickly I didn't want to work 6 days 12 hours a day.

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Man, I like you! I'm glad that I didn't go the ot norm and call you a dumb fricker. Lol.

Your answer wasn't necessarily wrong, but it definitely wasn't right either.

I'm glad that you got out of the business. That grind isn't for everybody.

Enjoy your Sunday, my friend.

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Man, I like you! I'm glad that I didn't go the ot norm and call you a dumb fricker. Lol.

Your answer wasn't necessarily wrong, but it definitely wasn't right either.

I'm glad that you got out of the business. That grind isn't for everybody.

Enjoy your Sunday, my friend.

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Lol its all good. I still have my toyota spin card. Idk if they still do this but they have bounties on certain vehicles.

Bounties?

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Bounties?

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Yeah for instance, the new Tundra was coming out so we got 250-500 dollars per old Tundra we sold on our spin card. It was a debit card I could use to buy shite with. I had almost 5 grand on it at one point.

My biggest sale ever was 8k in the front and 2k in the back. I felt horrible afterward but I made almost 1500 off of one sale lol.

Understood. We're getting a 2018 vehicle and the company is still making the 2017 with a completely different body style...they're made at different factories. I'm sure it's tough to sell the old version, but they are pushing them hard and are offering good deals.

I could see them having incentives for the salesfolk.