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re: What is a acceptable record for Coach Ed Orgeron this year?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:10 pm to LosTigres25
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:10 pm to LosTigres25
quote:It's his first full year and he has some new coaches who will have to get their system up in a hurry. I also believe we lost more high quality talent to the NFL than we ever have before. The SEC will be better than it has been also.
Miles winning 9 wasnt good enough so why would it be for O? Must win 10 or more or what was the point?
So you cut O some slack his first season. I am more interested in if real change takes place in such places as clock management, special teams and play calling. If the changes in coaching philosophy and management take place as they should, then the wins will soon follow. Losing three regular season games is what I expect but wouldn't be too surprised if we lose four. But then again It woudn't be a shock if we only lose one also.
The football can take some crazy bounces and turnovers will make or break us if we get the rest under control.
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:38 pm to Tom Bronco
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I also believe we lost more high quality talent to the NFL than we ever have before.
Nope. Losing talent to the NFL is an every year thing. This year is a little worse than average, but it's not "the worst ever." That's just dramatics.
It's true that you should expect some growing pains and a little leeway. But not much. 3 regular seasons losses is pretty meh but acceptable enough for a first year wanting to give them time to figure it out. Worse than that is very concerning considering the talent of the team. Much worse than that is already firing territory. He isn't rebuilding from scratch. The team still has elite talent. Trying to say otherwise is just searching for excuses.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:39 pm to NoGeaux
Next year we will return a ton of starters and guys that will see playing time this year
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:40 pm to Peazey
LSU didn't even really lose anyone unexpectedly, most of the players that left we assumed they would be leaving anyway. 
If Les was still the coach we would be saying 10 games, easily. O didn't have a huge coaching turnover, he was able to start implementing part of his system last year, and has had a full offseason.
If Les was still the coach we would be saying 10 games, easily. O didn't have a huge coaching turnover, he was able to start implementing part of his system last year, and has had a full offseason.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:46 pm to Rickdaddy4188
And I've said more than once I agree we would've beat Mcneese and won 10 in 15 even still that's 1 out of the last 3 years with 10 wins. But O isn't getting 3 years to finally win 10 games and that's the hypocrisy. Just because Miles underachieved some years doesn't mean O won't underachieve or be let off the hook if he does. You're equating ppl being fed up with Miles over the course of 13 years to a man being bashed before his first season. You don't see a difference there?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:00 pm to Tom Bronco
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It's his first full year
O has been on staff at LSU three seasons and in September he will have been HC or AHC for a year. This is NOT the normal new to the program or the talent situation. O needs to live up to the same high expectations we placed on others.
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I also believe we lost more high quality talent to the NFL than we ever have before
Are you serious? Did we lose a pro caliber QB, highly drafted RB, and two seriously talented WRs? LSU looses talent every year and every year we sign talent.
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I am more interested in if real change takes place in such places as clock management, special teams and play calling
Code for, it's ok if we win less as long as I like how it looks.
There is no good reason for this team not to win ten to eleven games. Anything less than that and Alleva's big gamble blew up in his face.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:09 pm to LSU Groupee
It's amazing how we remove a coach for failing to win 10 games (I agreed it was time past time to remove Les)
But now some want to accept 8 or less wins from a coach because he has an accent.
It's insane.
But now some want to accept 8 or less wins from a coach because he has an accent.
It's insane.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:09 pm to LSU Groupee
Name the last time we've lost this much talent in an offseason.
You fricks keep acting like this is normal
You fricks keep acting like this is normal
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:15 pm to Lester Earl
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You fricks keep acting like this is normal
They have to hate on Aranda and Canada somehow. It's not normal but RIGHT NOW Aranda can do no wrong. He just lost 4 players - 2 in the first round and 4 in the first 3 rounds.
Hopefully, Coach Canada can do a good enough job for Aranda to coach up the new players.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:15 pm to NoGeaux
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But now some want to accept 8 or less wins from a coach because he has an accent.
You think people would accept 8 wins simply because of the coach? And not the situation? What a clown take
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:23 pm to Lester Earl
You aren't paying attention if you don't see the "he's one of us" crowd here that holds zero accountability to O for the past 3 years while here and recruiting coordinator and short time interim HC or for the future.
By the way you know you will be first on here making excuses in 2018 like "can't win in the SEC with a RS FR QB or some other excuse"
Or we lost a lot to the draft, which we do many if not most years.
There is always an excuse and the "promise" of next year or year after next year with you.
By the way you know you will be first on here making excuses in 2018 like "can't win in the SEC with a RS FR QB or some other excuse"
Or we lost a lot to the draft, which we do many if not most years.
There is always an excuse and the "promise" of next year or year after next year with you.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:25 pm to Lester Earl
These types of threads are stupid and a waste of time because many things can happen over the course of a full season so to speculate about number of wins to keep a coach when said coach regardless of what his name is or even where he is from is ridiculous.
All you have to do is look at LSU baseball from this season to see all of this.
My expectations are to see a team effectively runs their offense and defense to the best of their ability.
Mistakes will happen but fight until the final whistle as a team.
This season should be a good season but it should also roll us over into an even better season next year. Imo.
All you have to do is look at LSU baseball from this season to see all of this.
My expectations are to see a team effectively runs their offense and defense to the best of their ability.
Mistakes will happen but fight until the final whistle as a team.
This season should be a good season but it should also roll us over into an even better season next year. Imo.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:25 pm to NoGeaux
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The issue here is O idolatry by a segment of our fan base who will defend O no matter what because he was born here and speaks with an accent
No, some people are just willing to give him a chance with at least a full season. And taking over mi-season and making the tight ends coach OC doesn't count as his first season.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:31 pm to buccaneer88
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No, some people are just willing to give him a chance with at least a full season.
With Dave Aranda and the only Broyles Award candidate in the nation for offense as offensive coordinator for LSU.
The idiots are really reaching. But hey, Les was so great the last five seasons why wouldn't they be.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:32 pm to tduecen
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If Les was still the coach we would be saying 10 games, easily. O didn't have a huge coaching turnover, he was able to start implementing part of his system last year, and has had a full offseason.
I never heard much tempering of expectations when Les was here. You're right, it seemed to be an expectation every year that we were supposed to challenge for the NC.
I certainly didn't hear this from O supporters when he got the job. All we got was how we're back in the NC hunt now that Les is gone. Now we're closer to reality and people are trying to hedge.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:35 pm to Lester Earl
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Name the last time we've lost this much talent in an offseason.
You fricks keep acting like this is normal
2014
Hey dumbass, we set a record for drafted players after 2013, and guess what, Miles the retard went 8-4 in 2014, his worst record in his last eight years.
We lost four fricking first rounders after 2006 and won the national title in 2007. With a first year OC too btw.
We also lost six to the draft after 2010 and went 13-0 in 2011.
LSU loses talent EVERY year, get used to it O
We tied the school record two years in a row for most players drafted in 2014 and 2015 and Miles still went 5-3 in the SEC in 2015 after two years of hemorrhaging NFL talent at an unprecedented rate.
You're saying O and his all star coaching staff can't do at least as well as Miles the retard did in 2014 because we lost a safety and a corner??? At DBU???
frick you losers. Just say all you wanted was Miles gone and you don't really care what happens the next few years because you're just going to bask in the victory of Miles' firing for a while. We'd respect you more if you were honest.
This team returns 15 starters, including a Heisman candidate at RB, a fifth year senior starter at QB, 4 OL, gets a fifth year senior back from injury on the DL and a DC widely considered the best in the country.
We play three fricking ranked teams this year.
Quit being pussy arse bitches and admit that losing 4 games will be a serious disappointment. Put your money where your mouth is with your marsh mate at HC and let's see if he can handle the pressure cooker that is being a HC in the SEC and particularly Baton Rouge. We already know he couldn't in Oxford.
fricking pussies.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:38 pm to axd9142a
Acceptable for me is 10+ wins, beat Fla, competitive vs Alabama.
We just fired the last guy for dropping below that... and he was still beating Fla, would have had the 10 wins if games weren't cancelled, and most of the Bama games WERE competitive, they were just still part of a losing streak.
I'm not sure Orgeron is the right hire, but he's the coach now, so I hope he does well. But he needs to be held to the same standard as the last guy, Miles. I do not endorse changing coaches as an excuse for stepping down a notch. If the AD is doing that, we need to demand a change at that position. It's been proven that LSU CAN compete at the top, and enough money is coming in that you can't say it isn't worth the expense.
We just fired the last guy for dropping below that... and he was still beating Fla, would have had the 10 wins if games weren't cancelled, and most of the Bama games WERE competitive, they were just still part of a losing streak.
I'm not sure Orgeron is the right hire, but he's the coach now, so I hope he does well. But he needs to be held to the same standard as the last guy, Miles. I do not endorse changing coaches as an excuse for stepping down a notch. If the AD is doing that, we need to demand a change at that position. It's been proven that LSU CAN compete at the top, and enough money is coming in that you can't say it isn't worth the expense.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:39 pm to Lester Earl
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Name the last time we've lost this much talent in an offseason.
2912 and 2013.
O has been recruiting three years and coaching here for the same time. This is not a normal new coach coming in with a totally new staff. LSU is top five to top ten in recruiting almost each year. Sure we lose talent and we replace talent every fricking year.
It's some funny shite to see those bitching over wins not matching talent suddenly switching to we shouldn't expect wins due to loss of talent.
Move goal post much in the rest of your life?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:43 pm to Goldrush25
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hedge
Hedge? lol it's full scale retreat. And you are right the overjoyed O got the job crowd never mentioned 8 or less wins would be acceptable.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 3:45 pm to dukke v
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I have never said that.....
You never said miles didnt under achieve in 2014? holy shite. I'm done responding to you. You can't even remember your own ignorant stances
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