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re: Mickey Mantle hit a ball 565 feet

Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:11 pm to
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:11 pm to
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Frank Thomas never juiced and hit multiple 500 foot home runs why can't other non juicers?
Because Frank Thomas was 6'5" and 275 pounds, you macadamia nut.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:13 pm to
Logic and reason has no place in threads like this.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:24 pm to
So any major leaguer bigger than Mantle who's played post 80s automatically hit balls farther? Do you realize how idiotic your argument is? How did 145lb 21 year old Tiger Woods hit balls farther than men nearly twice his size? How is that possible?
Posted by SumterCoDawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:27 pm to
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How did 145lb 21 year old Tiger Woods hit balls farther than men nearly twice his size? How is that possible?
Tiger was in his 150s when he turned pro, didn't realize there were so many near 300 pounders on tour at the time.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:31 pm to
The only ingredients needed for long balls are bat speed launch angle and speed of the pitch. Mantle was one of the fastest players in the mlb as well as one of the strongest meaning he was a freak athlete. He hit his home run during a game probly off of a pitch 89+ mph the guys hitting tnite were hitting 77-82 mph practice pitches if Judge was hitting 95mph fastballs he's probly get one out there 550 or so plus ballparks have structures and stands that stop balls before they're done traveling. Mantles ball left the ballpark and wasn't stopped by anything if judge were hitting upper 90s fastballs in an open area he could do it. Your logic is not only totally flawed but even taken on its face has dozens of holes in it.
This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 11:37 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:34 pm to
Tiger weighed 145 when he won his first masters and I said nearly not actually double his size. There were multiple tour players over 230 back then using the same and more advanced technology but still couldn't hit it as far as him. Thanks for dodging the question and shedding light on how ridiculous the logic ppl are using against the Mantle Ruth home runs is.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35665 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:35 pm to
Today's big millennial hero:



vs.



Before weight lifting and training became vogue.

But modern guy is automatically better for one reason, it happened later.

Some people are just Paul Bunyons - not manufactured.



In the same vein that 70% of today's population couldn't survive the Great Depression - is the exact same reason today's players can't ever complain that they were tougher and better.

Everyone is doughy now. They aren't better athletes. They need drugs from bad diet and McDonalds to not be doughy.

Bunch of fat fricks. The one guy everyone points out in modern times is to disparage the old guys is Babe Ruth.

And he was one guy...RIGHT NOW there are MORE FAT frickS THAN EVER IN THE HISTORY OF BASEBALL. Out of shape, shitty athletes, pieces of shite and yet they thrive.

Yeah...today's game is so much more difficult when total fat fricks can thrive non-stop.
Guys in WWII and after were lean...you didn't have to go on a "diet." Old school strong. Some guys are just crazy strong. Gehrig was probably, Ruth was, Mantle was, Dave Kingman was, etc.

But in today's supposedly more modern, more highly skilled and conditioned game...

YOU CAN BE A TOTAL FAT FRICK AND THRIVE LIKE CRAZY.

You can be be piece of slow-doughy shite.
This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 11:38 pm
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:47 pm to
You're confusing generational stereotypes with the conditioning and physique of elite athletes.

It's obviously far more difficult to be an elite athlete now. Ruth and Ted Williams didn't even play against black guys. Mantle may have gone against a handful of foreigners in his life. Harper, Judge, Trout etc go against the best in the world. And there are far more people trying to be the best in the world than ever before, and because of that, they take training and competition far more seriously than previous generations.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35665 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:04 am to
Sorry, just can't buy that a generation that grew up eating fricking McDonalds is physically superior.

THis is the worst generation in obseity rate ever.

The most lethargic.

THe least productive at work.

The baseball game has slowed down...sloth like. (Fried food?)

I would take lean muscle guys who won WWII and secured the safety of the free world in a baseball game over fat fricks who grew up on fast food and and Ice Cream and are mentally weak and physically doughy.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35665 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:04 am to
Sorry, just can't buy that a generation that grew up eating fricking McDonalds is physically superior.

THis is the worst generation in obseity rate ever.

The most lethargic.

THe least productive at work.

The baseball game has slowed down...sloth like. (Fried food?)

I would take lean muscle guys who won WWII and secured the safety of the free world in a baseball game over fat fricks who grew up on fast food and and Ice Cream and are mentally weak and physically doughy.
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:13 am to
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there has only been one home run confirmed to be hit over 500 feet in a game over the past 30 years. That was Cecil Fielder hitting the ball out of County Stadium in 1991. LINK
that's bullshite. McGwire went 500+ a bunch such as the one off of Randy Johnson, the 541' against the Marlins in May of '98. Sosa went 500', among others
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:14 am to
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I would take lean muscle guys who won WWII and secured the safety of the free world in a baseball game over fat fricks who grew up on fast food and and Ice Cream and are mentally weak and physically doughy.
Posted by theducks
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:22 am to
He always resorts to debating with emotion
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35665 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:23 am to
Evolution in action:



You guys are right...









Today's athlete has more body fat and less tone mass. Chubby - doughy...that's whats the recruiters call them. McDonalds baby. Fattie nation.

Even Harper is Dough-Boy. All soft. And mentally too...like most soft babies these days. And you dare criticize Mantle?
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 12:42 am
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145286 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:26 am to
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Sorry, just can't buy that a generation that grew up eating fricking McDonalds is physically superior.

THis is the worst generation in obseity rate ever.

The most lethargic.

THe least productive at work.

The baseball game has slowed down...sloth like. (Fried food?)

I would take lean muscle guys who won WWII and secured the safety of the free world in a baseball game over fat fricks who grew up on fast food and and Ice Cream and are mentally weak and physically doughy.

well this is a post
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:29 am to
That was an all time post.
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:41 am to
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McGwire went 500+ a bunch such as the one off of Randy Johnson


100% False. Hell, even the Mariners PR director said the HR distance measurements given out by teams are very rough estimates and usually isn't that accurate.

quote:

McGwire hit what was estimated as the longest home run in at least a decade. He got all of a 97-mph fastball, and launched it at 105 mph in the general direction of Canada.

On the radio, Mariner announcer Dave Niehaus marveled, "A high fly ball, belted, and I mean belted, deep to left field, into the upper deck! My, oh my, what a shot by Mark McGwire! That is probably the longest home run ever hit here. ... It will be interesting to see how far that ball will be guesstimated. ... We have often wondered if McGwire got ahold of a Randy Johnson fastball how far he could hit it, and I think we just saw it."

Shortly after, Niehaus gave the estimated distance: "538 feet--unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable. The longest home run ever hit here in Seattle ... the longest home run I think I have ever seen hit." Not only that, it seems to be the longest ball hit since 1988, when the distance of major-league home runs was first estimated on a wide scale. Sports pages and broadcasters across the country are still heralding McGwire's homer as one of the great feats in slugging history.

But there's a catch: The 538-feet figure, announced by the Mariners about 40 seconds after the ball landed, was an overstatement worthy of P.T. Barnum. According to three physicists who have worked independently and have written extensively on the science of baseball, the human limit for hitting a baseball at sea level, under normal temperatures and with no wind, is somewhere between 450 feet and 470 feet.

Curious that anyone could hit a ball 538 feet in an indoor park near sea level, I called the Mariners to see how they devised such a spectacular number. The team repeatedly refused to explain how they arrived at the figure or to allow me to speak to whoever made the estimate. Mariners PR Director Dave Aust stresses that the figure is "a guesstimate." "We don't really believe in the process," Aust says, distancing the team from the McGwire number.

That "process" has evolved over time. In 1988, IBM established the "Tale of the Tape" program, devising a system by which home-run distances could be estimated. Sponsorship of the Major League Baseball-licensed program was assumed by telecom giant MCI in 1992 and redubbed the "MCI Home Run Program." The program's Web site lists the 10 longest home runs of the year and provides a searchable database of the home runs of the previous two years.

"We do not measure the home runs," says MCI spokesman Cal Jackson. The distances are estimated by the individual clubs and then provided to MCI. "We act as a warehouse for the numbers that Major League Baseball sends us."

Unsatisfied with the 538-feet number, I did my own figuring. I consulted the 1976 Kingdome blueprints, a more recent laser-survey diagram of the stadium, and the Seattle Times game story, and visited the park twice. Here are the facts: McGwire's homer landed in the eighth row of the left side of section 240 in the second deck--439 feet (measured horizontally) from home plate and 59 feet above the playing field.

How much further could the ball have gone?
Based on a review of the trajectory charts in The Physics of Baseball and Keep Your Eye on the Ball: The Science and Folklore of Baseball, conversations with University of Puget Sound physicist Andrew Rex, and correspondence with aerospace engineer and baseball researcher Roger Hawks, I determined that the McGwire home run would have traveled about 474 feet. A mighty home run, yes, but still 64 feet short of the length claimed.



LINK
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
33734 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:46 am to
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Jesse Owens would not even own the Texas high school boys record today. That's not hyperbole. The Texas high school record is longer than Jesse Owens' record setting jump.
track is just a bad sport to use as an example here. Like a really really bad one. i can't think of another sport that proves the evolution of athletics like track does. 75 years ago people thought a 4 minute mile was impossible now the record is 3 seconds and some change away from being 3:40. Hell the 5k record is almost sub 4 pace. There's very few records that are even remotely close to what they were 30 plus years ago much less 60-70-80 years ago.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27327 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:51 am to
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track is just a bad sport to use as an example here. Like a really really bad one. i can't think of another sport that proves the evolution of athletics like track does. 75 years ago people thought a 4 minute mile was impossible now the record is 3 seconds and some change away from being 3:40. Hell the 5k record is almost sub 4 pace. There's very few records that are even remotely close to what they were 30 plus years ago much less 60-70-80 years ago.
It's the perfect example for the point I was making. I'm saying athletes are better now and track and field proves it as Jesse Owens' record-setting jump wouldn't even be the Texas high school state record today.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying or I'm misunderstanding your post.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35665 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:53 am to
I don't know if Mantle hit a ball 565 feet. But I do know he was capable as much as current players.

This idea that everything that comes next is SOOOO MUCH better is total folderol.

It's poppycock. It's why we say once in a generation player. Not every new guy is the new best player ever.

Some records are very old and stood for many years. It shows the SLOW

SLOW progress of sports evolution. It's an inch difference in sports for every 100 yards from beginning to....future. 18 year olds love to exaggerate the difference in baseball from 50 years ago...

Hell Mantle had it more difficult probably - the Mound was huge. Every pitcher was throwing downhill.

You can't generalize unless you watched all the games and knew the rules and saw it live.

Who knows if Mantle hit a ball 565 feet.

Papers confirmed it...
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 12:55 am
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