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re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted on 5/13/21 at 11:51 am to
Posted by numptythrubbers
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 11:51 am to
How far can one go with Greyskull programming - meaning the 3x5+ specifically?

I did it for a while last year, then moved to RPT with 3+ as the dependent set. I got pretty strong, hit a few milestone goals for myself, then at the beginning of this year pulled my back and hlgave up lifting for a while.

Now I'm starting from scratch. Does anyone have sone genuine testimonials about the 3x5+ programming and how far it can take you if you stick with it? Looking for inspiration here!

Thanks
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31507 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:49 pm to
quote:

How far can one go with Greyskull programming - meaning the 3x5+ specifically?

I did it for a while last year, then moved to RPT with 3+ as the dependent set. I got pretty strong, hit a few milestone goals for myself, then at the beginning of this year pulled my back and hlgave up lifting for a while.

Now I'm starting from scratch. Does anyone have sone genuine testimonials about the 3x5+ programming and how far it can take you if you stick with it? Looking for inspiration here!

Thanks



you mean following the pattern and performing the rotation of exercises in and out as you stall? People run DC training and the greyskull powerbuilding which is similar for 10+ years

what is the difference between 531 full body and GS outside of a little faster progress which can be changed to slower? people run 531 10+ years

with the basic gresykull lp template, if you start light and progress slowly the following are doable for 5 reps

bench- 1.5x BW
Press- BW
Squat- 2x BW
Dead- 2.25 x BW

the basic template can easily be run for a year straight, easily without varying the exercises. but if you rotate like i have laid out and is laid out in the book, 3 years pretty easily with progress. then move to the greyskull powerbuilding program if looking for more strength and size.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:50 pm to
btw your biggest issue is you program hop.

and maybe you would be better off finding a 531 template you like as sticking to 531 would give you the ability to change it up when bored without throwing everything out the window.
Posted by GhostofLesticleMiles
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Posted on 5/14/21 at 7:05 am to
Posted by Mrmtty20
Member since May 2021
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Posted on 5/24/21 at 1:48 am to
Hello,

I will start with the GS phraks variant and the push up and chin up homework 5 days a week with the FM method. but I have some questions:

- I will start chins and push ups the first week with 5 sets a day and 50% of my max rep. On lifting days with chins in the program, should I do also 5 sets next to the chins in the lifting work? Or less sets because the (weighted) chins on the lifting day?

- Can I add bb curls, calve raises and some planks for my weak core? Each exercise on one of the 3 lifting days? If yes, when and how much reps/sets?

My goal is to build muscle.
Thanks a lot in advance.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31507 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 8:26 am to
quote:

- I will start chins and push ups the first week with 5 sets a day and 50% of my max rep. On lifting days with chins in the program, should I do also 5 sets next to the chins in the lifting work? Or less sets because the (weighted) chins on the lifting day?


just do them earlier in the day or do them after the weighted chins as back off sets.

quote:

- Can I add bb curls, calve raises and some planks for my weak core? Each exercise on one of the 3 lifting days? If yes, when and how much reps/sets?



i would do the calfs and planks every lifting day. The BB curls go the days you are not doing the weighted chins.



good luck and just understand diet is goign to be a huge part in the whole journey. Strongly suggest a lbs of beef a day and a dozen eggs if at all possible.
Posted by Finn
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 5/24/21 at 3:36 pm to
Has anyone had success implementing the frequency portion of this program? (Bodyweight pushups, pullups). I haven't even attempted it yet because I've had pushups/pullups negatively impacting my core lifts in the past which Ive attributed to lack of rest time
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31507 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 7:29 pm to
quote:

haven't even attempted it yet because I've had pushups/pullups negatively impacting my core lifts in the past which Ive attributed to lack of rest time


Prolly will at first, but who cares, the body adapts. But mainly it does cause people push the bodyweight way too hard. Every set should be easy as hell.
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
13177 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 8:31 pm to
I was doing GreySkull for a while but Friday found out I had corona. I know I don’t post here often, just had to vent a little bit. So I guess I’m going to take a setback on progress.

I probably could have started a little lighter on deadlifts, but I’m still moving up on everything. Dealing with tendinitis in my left elbow for a pretty long time now so chin-ups are out temporarily. Trying to do some wrist/forearm exercises and some light bicep curls.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31507 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 8:58 pm to
First You, sorry to hear that happened. Don't rush jt, it's a marathon not a sprint.

You need to work reverse forearm roller. So the wrist roller but roll it up backwards. Lay off the normal and hit reverse and hammer curls. Really focus on the roller though. Also if you have a bucket of sand or some other way to work on opening your hand under tension...helps a ton.
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
13177 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:21 pm to
Thanks. I’ll try those when I get back into it. I read a lot of your posts on this board and you sound extremely knowledgeable.
Posted by Mrmtty20
Member since May 2021
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Posted on 5/25/21 at 3:33 pm to
Thx man and sorry for the late reaction. But how many set/reps should I do for calf raises, BB curl and plank?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31507 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:22 pm to
Calf raises, try and start with 50 reps. But on each rep paused in the bottom position(the stretched position) for a 10 count. Do however many sets it takes to reach 50 reps.


For bb curl- 2 sets of 12-15 reps. When you can hit both sets at 15 reps, go up in weight.

Plank- just hit a couple sets in the warm up for as long as possible each time.

Don't over think it
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
35548 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 9:06 pm to
I know you’ve probably said it a million times but I finally got my starting weight dialed in for bench. Do I go up 5 pounds every time or 5 lbs on each side?
Posted by Mrmtty20
Member since May 2021
4 posts
Posted on 5/26/21 at 3:12 am to
Thx man, overthinking is often a problem with me.

Now I have set the homework on hold untill my shoulder is ok. Had a shoulder issue last year, probably because bad form on bench or pushups.
Now I trained 4 months without pain in the shoulder, my bench is painfree and even shoulder press is painfree. I didnt do pushups after the injury. But now I'm doing the pushups homework for 2 days I have already the same issue then last year. Already see some good form videos on youtube but best choice is to let the shoulder rest I guess.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31507 posts
Posted on 5/26/21 at 7:25 am to
quote:

I know you’ve probably said it a million times but I finally got my starting weight dialed in for bench. Do I go up 5 pounds every time or 5 lbs on each side?


supposed to be 2.5 lbs each session on upper body. Would be 1.25 per side.
Posted by Finn
Member since Aug 2012
724 posts
Posted on 5/26/21 at 9:57 am to
quote:


Prolly will at first, but who cares, the body adapts. But mainly it does cause people push the bodyweight way too hard. Every set should be easy as hell.


So are you doing a dedicated workout session with bodyweight exercises with mild intensity rep ranges or are you doing random sets throughout the day

Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31507 posts
Posted on 5/26/21 at 10:45 am to
personally i do ladders in the morning, when i get off and before bed/after workout.

in general you just want to get the work in. thats why i prefer the total work method he lays out in the book.

lets say you do this for pushups/chins in total reps, # of sets doesnt matter and neither does timing, just get the reps in 6 days a week

week 1- 50 reps/15 reps
week 2- 55 reps/18 reps
week 3- 60 reps/20 reps
week 4- 65 reps/23 reps
etc, etc, etc

you keep at this taking a couple days off when needed or when life dictates until you can meet the greyskull challenges for those task and then you try and maintain while moving to other challenges.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
35548 posts
Posted on 5/26/21 at 12:17 pm to
The smallest plates we have is 2.5.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31507 posts
Posted on 5/26/21 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

The smallest plates we have is 2.5.



then add weight every other session and just try and push for a new rep record on the others.

example

week 1

Monday
Press- add 2.5lbs each side

wed
bench- add 2.5 lbs each side

Friday
Press- same weight as monday, shoot for extra rep

week 2

Monday
Bench- same weight as last wednesday, shoot for extra rep

Wednesday
Press- add 2.5lbs each side

Friday-
Bench- same weight as monday, shoot for extra rep

week 3

Monday
Press-same weight as last wednesday, shoot for extra rep

Wednesday
Bench- add 2.5 lbs each side

Friday
Press- same weight as monday, shoot for extra rep


so on and so fourth
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