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Lawsuit - SIG vs. N.J. State Police
Posted on 5/27/17 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 5/27/17 at 4:57 pm
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Gunmaker SIG Sauer is in hot water after the state of New Jersey sued the company for breach of contract when they allegedly delivered defective handguns to their State Police. In mid-2014, SIG Sauer won a contract to provide pistols to the New Jersey State Police and reportedly subsequently delivered 3,000 SIG P229 handguns. However, according to the NJSP, the pistols proved irreparably defective.
Although the P229 performed well in testing, the handguns actually delivered to the NJSP that year were plagued by failures to eject, according to the official complaint filed with the Superior Court of New Jersey. SIG Sauer diagnosed the malfuntions as being caused by the pistol’s extractor pins, which were subsequently replaced; however, this did not remedy the problem. As a result, SIG representatives visited the NJSP and supplied 250 new extractor springs to fix the problem, but the problems still persisted.
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By the end of October 2015, the document states, the NJSP began to identify the issue as being related to differences between the weapons trialed during the procurement process and those that were actually delivered. According to the document, while it was the SIG P229 Legacy that was trialed and that won the competition, the weapons that were delivered were of the very similar but distinct P229 Enhanced Elite model. Notably, the Enhanced Elite is alleged to differ from the Legacy in its extractor system, leading to reasonable speculation that this substitution was the cause of the malfunctions.
SIG Sauer agreed to replace the P229 Enhanced Elites with P229 Legacy models, but then allegedly failed to meet the deadline of January 2016 for the delivery of 750 of these weapons, having only delivered by that point 364 pistols. At this point, the document states that SIG Sauer informed the NJSP that it would only be able to deliver half of the 1,000 pistols it promised by the end of January 2016.
During a January 12, 2016 training course, the replacement SIG P229 Legacy handguns also exhibited failures to eject with both practice and duty ammunition. Consequently, SIG Sauer representatives and the NJSP met to inspect the most recent shipment of P229 Legacy handguns. During this inspection, SIG Sauer representatives “red lined” five of the 25 handguns randomly selected from the shipment, for exhibiting unacceptable manufacturing defects. Subsequent testing in the presence of SIG Sauer representatives produced more failures to eject, which continued even after the weapons were serviced by SIG gunsmiths.
After this incident, the NJSP decided to cease further discussion with SIG Sauer, and instead procure a new handgun, which resulted in procurement of the Glock 19 Gen 4.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 5:06 pm to dawg23
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After this incident, the NJSP decided to cease further discussion with SIG Sauer, and instead procure a new handgun, which resulted in procurement of the Glock 19 Gen 4.
Could have saved themselves a lot of trouble if they had went with Glock to start.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 5:21 pm to dawg23
Sig should focus less on this
And more on this
And more on this
Posted on 5/27/17 at 6:22 pm to dawg23
Get a Glock...Get a Glock...GET A GLOCK.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 6:53 pm to dawg23
Steyr is suing them too for patent infringement
Posted on 5/27/17 at 7:49 pm to dawg23
fricking fake news do not believe any of this shite #teamSIG
Posted on 5/27/17 at 7:58 pm to Geauxtiga
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Get a Glock...Get a Glock...GET A GLOCK.
I have had almost every Glock Model at some time in my adult life. The Sig P320 out of the box is a better gun in my opinion. The trigger, grip angle, and modularity make it
a better gun.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 8:14 pm to lsufan1971
Grip angle is just what you are used to. I'm used to a glock grip angle and my dad is team sig. if I'm trying to come from a holster I naturally aim way too low with the sig because I'm just used to the glock grip angle
Posted on 5/27/17 at 8:37 pm to Timmayy
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Grip angle is just what you are used to. I'm used to a glock grip angle and my dad is team sig. if I'm trying to come from a holster I naturally aim way too low with the sig because I'm just used to the glock grip angle
This is likely true but the Sig p320 trigger is way better than the Glock
I have both.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 8:44 pm to Geauxtiga
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Get a Glock...Get a Glock...GET A GLOCK.
#teamkeltec4life amirite?
Posted on 5/27/17 at 9:00 pm to bbvdd
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This is likely true but the Sig p320 trigger is way better than the Glock
I have both
I don't think very many people would argue that a Glock shoots smoother than your average Sig. Functionality and reliability is the meat of the issue.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 9:09 pm to Who Me
Neither p320 or either of my two p226 have ever hand a single fte/ftf or anything else.
Glock hasn't either.
Glock hasn't either.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 10:43 pm to bbvdd
Your right and you can play that game all day long VP9 has a better trigger than sig and so on and so on but at the end of the day each person and or agency has different things they are looking for.
If I'm looking for a gun that's solely going to be a nightstand gun/ range gun I probably would have bought the VP9.
But for carrying everyday for me the glock just makes that much more sense. Just because of the vast majority of more options for holsters, especially appendix holsters where guns like the 320 and vp9 really fault.
To argue that any of those three mentioned guns, and I'll throw in the smith M&P are better than the other is pointless. Each have their own strong point and the person needs to choose what it is that each gun does best for them.
If I'm looking for a gun that's solely going to be a nightstand gun/ range gun I probably would have bought the VP9.
But for carrying everyday for me the glock just makes that much more sense. Just because of the vast majority of more options for holsters, especially appendix holsters where guns like the 320 and vp9 really fault.
To argue that any of those three mentioned guns, and I'll throw in the smith M&P are better than the other is pointless. Each have their own strong point and the person needs to choose what it is that each gun does best for them.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 11:46 pm to Timmayy
I keep a 1911 by the bed.
I keep a glock 29 in the truck.
It hasn't been cleaned in two years. I always know it will go bang.
I keep a glock 29 in the truck.
It hasn't been cleaned in two years. I always know it will go bang.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 11:59 pm to X123F45
F*** all that in 10mm lol. Your a better man than me.
Posted on 5/28/17 at 7:47 am to Timmayy
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Your right and you can play that game all day long VP9 has a better trigger than sig and so on and so on but at the end of the day each person and or agency has different things they are looking for.
You're absolutely correct. What I should have said to his remark that a Glock is smoother is that all these handguns (save for one or two) are all blowback design. I don't think one is smoother than any other. Each of these all have very fine machining.
Police are not concealing though. Not sure why they want a 19 vs. a 17
And I do not have a gun in my nightstand. I have a shotgun and several AR in my closet. Plus the Delta Elite.
This post was edited on 5/28/17 at 8:12 am
Posted on 5/28/17 at 8:03 am to dawg23
As much as I hate the state of New Jersey and every politician that breathes oxygen there, they got shafted in this one.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 1:04 am to bbvdd
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Police are not concealing though. Not sure why they want a 19 vs. a 17
The 19 is the better weapon.
I have large hands and they just envelop the 19 perfectly.
I've got a pick somewhere of me hanging three pieces of brass in the air out of a 19 and the damned thing was still perfectly aimed at the target.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 12:56 pm to bbvdd
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Police are not concealing though. Not sure why they want a 19 vs. a 17
Incorrect.
1st you have plain clothes units that carry concealed.
2nd often time police carry their duty weapons concealed when off duty.
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