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re: Yes, there is way too much emphasis on being National Seed (stats inside!)

Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:49 pm to
Posted by LSU ATC
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:49 pm to
The only credible argument I can see is that the last couple of years LSU has made this late surge from being not considered a national seed and rallying late to get one. If we don't get it, could the team still take the underdog approach to a super regional.
Posted by jlntiger
Member since Feb 2011
1447 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:50 pm to
Stupidity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. a lot goes into your record but considering our home record against OOC opponents I am not confident in this team either way.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
72409 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:50 pm to
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could the team still take the underdog approach to a super regional.


This team can take that approach all they want, won't matter... they are garbage on the road.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85337 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:51 pm to
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Stupidity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.
You're still saying stupid shite and expecting people to think it's not stupid.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21476 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:51 pm to
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BUT...we've also played two really good teams on the road in UF and UK. (Just as a caveat.)


Are you saying that because we played 2 very good teams on the road in UF and UK, that we should exclude those two teams from the discussion since they are so good? Because we wouldn't be facing a good team on the road in a Super?
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
72409 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:51 pm to
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Stupidity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.


I've upgraded you from being shot in the foot to being shot in the face.
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24193 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:53 pm to
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Are you saying that because we played 2 very good teams on the road in UF and UK, that we should exclude those two teams from the discussion since they are so good? Because we wouldn't be facing a good team on the road in a Super?


No, not at all. Just saying that the road record isn't all that terrible considering the two series lost were to Top 10 RPI teams.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85337 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:54 pm to
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Just saying that the road record isn't all that terrible considering the two series lost were to Top 10 RPI teams.
We have 8 road losses. 4 vs UK/UF and 3 vs midweek teams.
Posted by LSU ATC
Member since Jan 2011
932 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:54 pm to
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Are you saying that because we played 2 very good teams on the road in UF and UK, that we should exclude those two teams from the discussion since they are so good? Because we wouldn't be facing a good team on the road in a Super?


Are you saying that if we played those two teams at home we still would have lost the series?

The truth is that will will be playing a better team on the road in the supers then at home if we are not national seeds. If we are matched up with a #2 seed in a regional, we will still be playing at home.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21476 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:55 pm to
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Stupidity is doing the same thing and expecting different results


So...we should hope to go on the road, and hope to win. Rather than hoping to stay at home. Since we have done much better at home than on the road? Aren't you calling yourself stupid by saying this?

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but considering our home record against OOC opponents


If you don't understand the difference in Lange, Poche and Walker on the mound, versus the guys we normally threw out in some of our midweek loses, then I don't know what the hell to tell you.

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I am not confident in this team either way.


So just come out and say, "I don't think this team is good enough to get out of the regional", or super, whatever it may be. Don't come here with the stupidity of saying we need to go on the road because it gives us a better chance at success.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21476 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:56 pm to
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Are you saying that if we played those two teams at home we still would have lost the series?


Who the hell knows this??? There is no way to tell.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24193 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:56 pm to
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We have 8 road losses. 4 vs UK/UF and 3 vs midweek teams


Haha. Yeah, but I thought we had all followed Moscona's lead in saying that midweek games didn't matter?

Besides, you were talking about series losses/records.

Also, your math doesn't add up.
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 1:58 pm
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21476 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:57 pm to
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No, not at all. Just saying that the road record isn't all that terrible considering the two series lost were to Top 10 RPI teams


If we do not host a Super and end up on the road playing in a Super Regional, then the chances are pretty high that we will be playing a team that is at, or at least very near, the top 10 in RPI also....So why would anybody think going on the road is what we should aim for?
Posted by 9th Green At 9
From where they make gumbo at
Member since Jul 2015
2954 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:58 pm to
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With LSU recent hosting, might not be bad for them to get out of town for a regional.
Have you seen their out of town record this year?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85337 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:59 pm to
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I thought we had all followed Moscona's lead in saying that midweek games didn't matter?
They matter. Just less than SEC games. He won't admit they matter at all though. The only way they don't is if a team wins the SEC by 2 games. I'd argue that a 20-win SEC champ that shares that championship wouldn't get a national seed if it went 0-14 in midweek games.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85337 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 2:00 pm to
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Also, your math doesn't add up.
Yes it does. Our other road loss is @ Arky. Didn't mention that one.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24193 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 2:03 pm to
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Yes it does. Our other road loss is @ Arky. Didn't mention that one.


Ah okay.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10128 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 2:03 pm to
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a lot goes into your record but considering our home record against OOC opponents I am not confident in this team either way
C'mon, the bullpen won't be the only pitching, as with most of the OOC contests. Have a little faith.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24193 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 2:05 pm to
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but considering our home record against OOC opponents I am not confident in this team either way.


By my quick count, LSU is 16-3 at home out of conference this season, if you include Louisiana College.

So terrible!
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
14710 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 2:05 pm to
Many posters including the ones in this thread have given Mainieri crap for going all out to win the SEC Tourney. I think that's what he could mean about being burnt out by Regionals/Supers.
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