re: Trump on Andrew Jackson and Civil War

Unfortunately the war of northern aggression couldn't have been prevented unless Lincoln wouldn't have been elected

He was literally John McCain

Yes I think Jackson probably did see the war coming in some fashion. I just don't really know what the point of this whole thing is on behalf of Trump.

There's a lot about Lincoln that was really shitty but the war was coming whether he got elected on not. Maybe a different President delays it a few years, but the issue had no real path to resolution at that point.

I do wonder if reconstruction which was maybe the worse disaster in the grand scheme of things would have happened much different (for better or worse) had Lincoln not be assassinated.

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He makes the puzzling claim that Jackson "was really angry that he saw what was happening in regard to the Civil War."

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Sectional tensions and issues related to slavery had been bubbling for quite some time. There was the whole issue of the Nullification Crisis w/ South Carolina and potential secession during his presidency involving his VP (Calhoun), as well as Texas.

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quote:Speaking to The Washington Examiner, Trump wonders why issues "could not have been worked out" in order to prevent the bloody conflict. Trump praises the accomplishments of Jackson, the populist president he has cited as a role model. He makes the puzzling claim that Jackson "was really angry that he saw what was happening in regard to the Civil War." But Jackson died in 1845, and the Civil War didn't begin until 16 years later, in 1861.

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The historic ignorance displayed by our media today is astounding. Jackson came very close to having the Civil War break out while he was in office. South Carolina went so far as to threaten to leave the Union while he was President while he threatened to send federal troops into South Carolina and hang the leaders of this movement from the "tallest tree in South Carolina"....


Nullification Crisis

Of course since the crisis that caused the South to almost leave the Union in the late 1820's & early 1830's was more over tariffs instead of slavery, this portion of history is now ignored because it does not support the false narrative that the American Civil War was over slavery.

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That is precisely why Abraham Lincoln is the worst president in U.S. history. A truly great president would have avoided the death of 620,000 American lives. Slavery would have died on its own accord especially because of technology and morality...like it did in every other western and South American country.

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Lincoln is not the worst POTUS in history. The worst POTUS in history was Lincoln's predecessor James Buchanan.

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With Lincoln's victory, talk of secession and disunion reached a boiling point. Buchanan was forced to address it in his final message to Congress. Both factions awaited news of how Buchanan would deal with the question. In his message,[65] Buchanan denied the legal right of states to secede but held that the federal government legally could not prevent them. He placed the blame for the crisis solely on "intemperate interference of the Northern people with the question of slavery in the Southern States", and suggested that if they did not "repeal their unconstitutional and obnoxious enactments ... the injured States, after having first used all peaceful and constitutional means to obtain redress, would be justified in revolutionary resistance to the Government of the Union."[66] Buchanan's only suggestion to solve the crisis was "an explanatory amendment" reaffirming the constitutionality of slavery in the states, the fugitive slave laws, and popular sovereignty in the territories.[66] His address was sharply criticized both by the north, for its refusal to stop secession, and the south, for denying its right to secede.[67] Five days after the address was delivered, Treasury Secretary Howell Cobb resigned, feeling that his views and the President's had become irreconcilable.[

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The best chance to prevent the southern states from seceding (at that time, because it was eventually going to happen) was in the weeks after Lincoln's victory, and Buchanan did the worst possible thing that any POTUS could do.

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That would be political suicide. The GOP has sainted Lincoln. And the Democrats can't touch him because "he freed the slaves". It's impossible to have an honest discussion about Lincoln because of the hyper-PC culture we live in.

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Clearly my motivation.

A lot of people are old enough to remember public restrooms and water fountains marked "white only". Starting off a conversation by saying that slavery would have died out on its own eventually is Kinduv a non-starter.

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support the false narrative that the American Civil War was over slavery.

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This Lost Cause stuff is so crappy. To say that the war was a struggle to preserve the southern way of life while denying that slavery was a big part of that way of life (especially economically) is just dishonest.

I mean, one of the big issues southern leaders had with Lincoln is that he wanted to prevent slavery expansion to new US territories.

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Starting off a conversation by saying that slavery would have died out on its own eventually is Kinduv a non-starter

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It would have, and to deny it is ignorance. The issue is what to do with the manumitted slaves.

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A lot of people are old enough to remember public restrooms and water fountains marked "white only". Starting off a conversation by saying that slavery would have died out on its own eventually is Kinduv a non-starter.

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Sometimes I forget that segregation ended in the North as soon as they abolished slavery. (Well, some of them abolished slavery.)