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re: Trump on Andrew Jackson and Civil War
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:41 am to udtiger
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:41 am to udtiger
Stop interpreting for him. He said something stupid. He doesn't know history. That's fine. Don't embarrass yourself by trying to sell the narrative that his statement was the result of some deep and nuanced study of the subject. He just said something stupid. Bush did it all the time. So did Reagan. So did CLinton. Obama said there were 56 states.
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Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:42 am to Superior Pariah
If Jackson had been President at the end of the Civil War Davis, Stephens et al would have swung from the gallows.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:43 am to GumboPot
That test reads like the poorly written common core questions this board likes to freak out about. 
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:47 am to Dr RC
Almost as if it was actually administered for a purpose other than fairly testing literacy.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:48 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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Stop interpreting for him. He said something stupid. He doesn't know history. That's fine. Don't embarrass yourself by trying to sell the narrative that his statement was the result of some deep and nuanced study of the subject. He just said something stupid. Bush did it all the time. So did Reagan. So did CLinton. Obama said there were 56 states
I was not imbuing him with any historical knowledge. I was pointing out that his statement was not historically inaccurate.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:50 am to TrueTiger
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Just like Pearl Harbor.
The U.S. was fairly pacifist until that, and even then they didn't declare on Germany right away.
Pearl Harbor + Germany? Is this Animal House deja vu?
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:51 am to GetCocky11
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By the time Abraham Lincoln was inaugurated, peace was a lost cause.
How many states had left the Union by March 1861? 7 I think?
Why not go after James Buchanan?
States leaving meant killing 620,000 was justified? WTF States had every right to leave if they wanted. Lincoln committed the greatest act of treason the world has ever seen and people need to accept it.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:52 am to notsince98
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States had every right to leave if they wanted
They still do.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:53 am to notsince98
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Lincoln committed the greatest act of treason the world has ever seen
I'm not sure you understand what treason means, regardless of the esoteric arguments about the states' right to withdraw from the union.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:55 am to CorporateTiger
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Almost as if it was actually administered for a purpose other than fairly testing literacy.
There's no doubt it was administered unfairly. Louisiana in the '50s had no shortage of illiterate whites who were presumably allowed to vote anyway. But that doesn't preclude the fact that a test could theoretically be administered fairly. And I would include some basic cultural literacy questions such as who's third in line of succession for the presidency, or name two Supreme Court justices.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:56 am to shinerfan
Sure. I wasn't saying you could have an impartial test. It is just interesting how some people want to deny what the old test was actually about.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 10:58 am to notsince98
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Lincoln committed the greatest act of treason the world has ever seen and people need to accept it.
Wasn't it the south who fired on a United States Army fort that was garrisoned by soldiers of the United States Army?
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 11:00 am
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:00 am to CorporateTiger
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I'm not sure you understand what treason means, regardless of the esoteric arguments about the states' right to withdraw from the union.
Lincoln's whole basis for the war was that those states were part of the union or HIS COUNTRY and he went and killed them. He can't fight their leaving w/out it being treason. In order for it not to be treason he had to recognize them as sovereign states from his country (which means recognizing their right to leave) in which case he was nothing more than Hitler.
Which one do you prefer?
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 11:03 am
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:02 am to notsince98
Again, you are fundamentally not understanding what treason actually means.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:02 am to udtiger
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. I was pointing out that his statement was not historically inaccurate.
But it was, thoPosted on 5/1/17 at 11:03 am to notsince98
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Lincoln's whole basis for the war was that those states were part of the union or HIS COUNTRY and he went and killed them. He can't fight their leaving w/out it being treason. In order for it not to be treason he had to recognize them as sovereign states from his country in which case he was nothing more than Hitler.
Which one do you prefer?
This doesn't make any sense.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:03 am to CorporateTiger
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Again, you are fundamentally not understanding what treason actually means.
it appears you do not understand what treason is. Try dictionary.com or merrian webster.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:05 am to notsince98
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it appears you do not understand what treason is.
It sounds like you have some belief that Lincoln was some bloodthirsty monster who had only one objective in mind in 1861...the complete destruction of the south.
That is just not true.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:06 am to Superior Pariah
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really angry that he saw what was happening in regard to the Civil War.
This is fake news. Jackson had to deal with the nullification crisis, when South Carolina threatened to secede. His handling of the issue postponed the outbreak of a civil war by almost 40 years.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:06 am to notsince98
If that states were wrongfully trying to leave the Union (assuming Lincoln was right for this purpose) then it was a rebellion. In what world can you not take action against rebels.
All of that is also in context of Fort Sumter, which muddied the water a lot,
All of that is also in context of Fort Sumter, which muddied the water a lot,
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