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True/False - Horizon would have been a better game if it wasn't open-world
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:59 am
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:59 am
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True for me. This game would've really benefited from the Uncharted 4 treatment. Make each chapter/level a sprawling area filled with different machines, some logs and small things to do, and a main objective.
Games usually go open-world when developers know they have a shitty story and have to pad the game because it won't have much replayability. This game has a pretty kickass main story, but all of the pointless side quests, collectibles, corrupted zones, etc ruin its delivery. I'm nearing the end of the game (well I think I am because I got the point of no return warning) and last night I literally spent 5 hours cleaning up the flowers, vessels, figures, zones, and sidequests just for the sake of completion/platinum. There's no need for any of that shite and it really hurts the pacing of the main story. Yes, I know you don't have to do all of that shite if you don't want to
I really think this game could've been awesome with a 12-13 chapter, 15hr structure. Vary the biomes and enemy machines, carefully design each area and add some setpieces, and execute your narrative more effectively. Whereas Last Of Us has a ho-hum story and brilliant execution, Horizon is the inverse. Nails the story with ho-hum execution. Instead of 100 shitty sidequests, have 8-10 really good ones scattered about. Implement a NG+ that shakes up enemies, adds newer modifications, etc
I really think this structure would've moved the game from the "solid" category to the "great" category.
True for me. This game would've really benefited from the Uncharted 4 treatment. Make each chapter/level a sprawling area filled with different machines, some logs and small things to do, and a main objective.
Games usually go open-world when developers know they have a shitty story and have to pad the game because it won't have much replayability. This game has a pretty kickass main story, but all of the pointless side quests, collectibles, corrupted zones, etc ruin its delivery. I'm nearing the end of the game (well I think I am because I got the point of no return warning) and last night I literally spent 5 hours cleaning up the flowers, vessels, figures, zones, and sidequests just for the sake of completion/platinum. There's no need for any of that shite and it really hurts the pacing of the main story. Yes, I know you don't have to do all of that shite if you don't want to
I really think this game could've been awesome with a 12-13 chapter, 15hr structure. Vary the biomes and enemy machines, carefully design each area and add some setpieces, and execute your narrative more effectively. Whereas Last Of Us has a ho-hum story and brilliant execution, Horizon is the inverse. Nails the story with ho-hum execution. Instead of 100 shitty sidequests, have 8-10 really good ones scattered about. Implement a NG+ that shakes up enemies, adds newer modifications, etc
I really think this structure would've moved the game from the "solid" category to the "great" category.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 10:08 am
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Posted on 4/19/17 at 10:07 am to Carson123987
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I really think this structure would've moved the game from the "solid" category to the "great" category.
I admire your courage, going against the opinion of pretty much everyone else on the planet.
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This game has a pretty kickass main story, but all of the pointless side quests, collectibles, corrupted zones, etc ruin its delivery. I'm nearing the end of the game (well I think I am because I got the point of no return warning) and last night I literally spent 5 hours cleaning up the flowers, vessels, figures, zones, and sidequests just for the sake of completion/platinum. There's no need for any of that shite and it really hurts the pacing of the main story. Yes, I know you don't have to do all of that shite if you don't want to
Then don't. This is all on you. Open world doesn't mean you HAVE to go crazy on exploring and sidequests. If the main story is your thing, then do that. To say something you voluntarily participate in detracts from the main game doesn't make sense to me. It's why I never bothered with the settlement crap in Fallout 4. I know I would have just bored myself to tears helping settlers and building my own place, effectively "ruining" the game for me. I ignored it, and the game was/is a blast.
If I want to make myself quit an MMO, I start going hard on the crafting/gathering classes. I love FFXIV, but spending hours leveling a leatherworker is a death sentence for me. I ignore it, I'm good.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 10:12 am to Carson123987
False.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 10:23 am to Carson123987
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True - Horizon would have been a better game if it was on PC too
There are a handful of exclusives that I really wish I could play.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 10:28 am to Carson123987
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This game would've really benefited from the Uncharted 4 treatment. Make each chapter/level a sprawling area filled with different machines, some logs and small things to do, and a main objective.
I'm likely in the minority, but the way Uncharted makes it's levels is pure garbage IMO. I can not stand the linearity.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 10:45 am to Carson123987
Horizon does open world pretty well I think. The side quests are no more annoying or pointless than similar games. I actually think the side missions in Horizon are a bit better than games like Assassin's Creed and Far Cry. Horizon is not an RPG like The Witcher 3, but the way a lot of the side quests are presented, you have motivation for needing to complete the tasks.
The voice acting is atrocious though. While I appreciate the fact that I'm not hearing the same voice actors that appear in virtually every video game, most of the NPCs sound like random office workers they threw in front of a microphone.
The voice acting is atrocious though. While I appreciate the fact that I'm not hearing the same voice actors that appear in virtually every video game, most of the NPCs sound like random office workers they threw in front of a microphone.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 10:47 am
Posted on 4/19/17 at 10:54 am to Carson123987
I can see the argument and do think a lot of games would benefit from going to "wide linear" ala Uncharted 4. FFXV had no reason to be open world except to jump on current trends
Horizon did open world pretty well, though. Side quests weren't Witcher level but the writing was decent throughout. It puts some interesting spins on open world tropes like the tall necks as AssCreed towers and the cauldrons as optional dungeons.
Sure it didn't need vantage points and that stuff but I don't care about trophies and have never been a completionist so I didn't bother with that. It's there for everyone that does enjoy that stuff
Horizon did open world pretty well, though. Side quests weren't Witcher level but the writing was decent throughout. It puts some interesting spins on open world tropes like the tall necks as AssCreed towers and the cauldrons as optional dungeons.
Sure it didn't need vantage points and that stuff but I don't care about trophies and have never been a completionist so I didn't bother with that. It's there for everyone that does enjoy that stuff
Posted on 4/19/17 at 11:14 am to Carson123987
It's essentially a peak Ubisoft game. Not really an rpg in an open world with collectibles and towers. It's a good game but there are quite a few better ps4 games this year.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 11:15 am to Carson123987
I grow to dislike open world games more and more as time goes on.
Developers tend to stick to the same lazy tropes with fetch quests and collectibles. My experience is that there are pockets of interesting things surrounded by tons of filler.
I have not yet played horizon so I can't offer an opinion on it. I've come close to purchasing a few times, but I've got a massive backlog of games and horizon just doesn't seem that appealing to me.
Developers tend to stick to the same lazy tropes with fetch quests and collectibles. My experience is that there are pockets of interesting things surrounded by tons of filler.
I have not yet played horizon so I can't offer an opinion on it. I've come close to purchasing a few times, but I've got a massive backlog of games and horizon just doesn't seem that appealing to me.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 11:17 am
Posted on 4/19/17 at 11:39 am to Carson123987
I think OP is right. Most of the time, I prefer a more focused story to open world because most open world games are just filled with fluff.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:16 pm to Carson123987
The side quests are pretty forgettable in HZD. If they had put some depth and meaning in them, game would have been amazing. The gameplay was awesome, the narrative is really intriguing, the world is beautiful and the machines are the show. I much prefer it open world, but man a lot of those side quests were bad.
tl;dr Open world works, make optional content better
tl;dr Open world works, make optional content better
Posted on 4/19/17 at 3:03 pm to Carson123987
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I really think this structure would've moved the game from the "solid" category to the "great" category.
No matter how much you keep trying to knock down the game it doesn't change the fact that for most people including me, it was great.
There was no part of this game that ever bored me. Just running around doing nothing was fun with the gameplay and graphics of the game.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 4:08 pm to Carson123987
I'm going to get shite on, but it's almost as if they copied far cry primal.
The story is great, but it's like I've played this before. And yes, no need for all the side quest.
The story is great, but it's like I've played this before. And yes, no need for all the side quest.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:11 pm to Carson123987
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Carson123987
A contrarian game opinion? From you? Lulz
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:47 pm to Carson123987
Dude Forza Horizon is awesome as open world. It is great being able to just drive around. 
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