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re: Free agency
Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:50 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:50 am to TeddyPadillac
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I wouldn't complain about that.
I wouldn't either, but I'd hate to give up a 1st for Lin or Rubio. Sadly it's either them or MLE guys like Collison. I guess if it's a top 20 protected pick and we give it up that means we're at least a 6 seed.
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:55 am to TigerinATL
I could see Minny wanting to dump Rubio.
I wish Dunn had played better this year. Then they would definitely be trying to dump him.
I wish Dunn had played better this year. Then they would definitely be trying to dump him.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 10:00 am to TigerinATL
I would spend up to the cap, getting a solid wing player or two, then flip Ajinca, QPon and a lotto protected first for Lin. I think that team would be every bit as good short term as one with Jrue
Posted on 3/16/17 at 10:08 am to TeddyPadillac
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That is exactly what many were saying before we resigned Asik's dumbass.
That's sort of true, but a lot of that was going on before we hired a coach who made him completely obsolete. If we can get boogie to sign an extension this summer then maybe we can take a risk and use a stopgap until 2018, if not I don't see how you can justify putting scrubs on the court while trying to convince boogie to stay.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 10:11 am to Crewz
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I would spend up to the cap, getting a solid wing player or two
such as?
Posted on 3/16/17 at 10:18 am to Fun Bunch
CJ Miles comes to mind. He can slide up to 3 and gives you shooting plus solid D. Maybe you can get an Ingles or Ian Clark too
Lin/Crawford
Miles/Moore
Hill/Ingles
AD/Cunningham
Cousins/Diallo
That team is probably just as competitive as one with Jrue. Maybe more explosive
Lin/Crawford
Miles/Moore
Hill/Ingles
AD/Cunningham
Cousins/Diallo
That team is probably just as competitive as one with Jrue. Maybe more explosive
Posted on 3/16/17 at 10:19 am to Fun Bunch
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such as?
Timmy Jr.?
I don't know if he's going to fetch something in the $15M range, or something stupid over $20M.
I also don't think Atlanta is willing to match it if it's in the $15+ range, but I really have no idea, just blabbering.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 10:21 am to Not Cooper
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That's sort of true, but a lot of that was going on before we hired a coach who made him completely obsolete
The coach didn't make Asik obsolete. Asik not being a capable NBA center made himself obsolete, and I blame that on injuries and age to a 7 footer. If he was worth anything at all, it wouldn't be that hard to trade him, but he's so terrible, that teams aren't willing to touch him, even though he can be stretched fairly easily without that much consequence.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 10:31 am to Crewz
Can we not get Miles if we keep Jrue? Seems like we could have that same lineup with Jrue instead of Lin. Or just substitute clark for miles if miles is too expensive?
Posted on 3/16/17 at 10:38 am to Crewz
You're right about the exaggeration, but I kind of subscribe to your DeAndre Jordan theory when it comes to Jrue. He's not a max player, but I feel like the team would be "better" with him being re-signed versus the other potential avenues.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 10:38 am to TeddyPadillac
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I don't know if he's going to fetch something in the $15M range, or something stupid over $20M.
I also don't think Atlanta is willing to match it if it's in the $15+ range, but I really have no idea, just blabbering.
I have no idea what he'll get but if it's $15M I'd almost do that over $25 for Jrue, though we wouldn't have much left to get a point guard.
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 10:39 am
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:08 pm to Not Cooper
If it was possible to get Hardaway Jr. for around $15M, and trade for Rubio, that would be awesome. Not sure if that is feasible though. I'd be happy signing Hardaway and then trading for Elfrid Peyton using Buddy's exception.
If they do somehow get rid of Jrue in a S&T and get that $18M TPE, I think going after someone like Fournier, Bazemore or Middleton might be an option if you throw in 2018 first and they are looking to get rid of them, and then use the MLE to sign a PG like Mills/Collison/Livingston. Not ideal for a PG, but i'd rather get the scorer at the SG position than keep Jrue.
There's so many possibilities this offseason on how they want to construct this roster, but the key is getting it right this offseason, b/c you likely won't have the opportunities later if you frick it up.
I think the route i'm coming around too is keeping Jrue, hopefully to something around $20M, operating above the cap, getting some quality player with the MLE, lets say Mills, using the BAE on someone young like James Young or McAdoo, get Will Barton using 2018 protected first. Get rid of Ajinca/QPon trading them to Sac to get Koufos. Look for a young guy that isn't wanted and use a 2nd and Buddy's exception to get him. Maybe you could get Bembry or Prince from Atlanta. Maybe Washington is ready to give up on Oubre Jr after signing Porter to a huge contract.
Jrue/Mills/Frazier
Barton/Moore/Crawford
Hill/Oubre/Young
AD/DC/Diallo
Cousins/Koufos/Asik
I think that's a realistic team, and i'd like that. 15 players.
It would be a young fairly young team and wouldn't have us tied down that much to anyone other than AD/Jrue/Cousins with Hill/Moore/Asik having the next biggest contracts. I'd keep Asik if it didnd't really matter, and just never play him. Don't stretch him unless it's absolutely necessary.
If they do somehow get rid of Jrue in a S&T and get that $18M TPE, I think going after someone like Fournier, Bazemore or Middleton might be an option if you throw in 2018 first and they are looking to get rid of them, and then use the MLE to sign a PG like Mills/Collison/Livingston. Not ideal for a PG, but i'd rather get the scorer at the SG position than keep Jrue.
There's so many possibilities this offseason on how they want to construct this roster, but the key is getting it right this offseason, b/c you likely won't have the opportunities later if you frick it up.
I think the route i'm coming around too is keeping Jrue, hopefully to something around $20M, operating above the cap, getting some quality player with the MLE, lets say Mills, using the BAE on someone young like James Young or McAdoo, get Will Barton using 2018 protected first. Get rid of Ajinca/QPon trading them to Sac to get Koufos. Look for a young guy that isn't wanted and use a 2nd and Buddy's exception to get him. Maybe you could get Bembry or Prince from Atlanta. Maybe Washington is ready to give up on Oubre Jr after signing Porter to a huge contract.
Jrue/Mills/Frazier
Barton/Moore/Crawford
Hill/Oubre/Young
AD/DC/Diallo
Cousins/Koufos/Asik
I think that's a realistic team, and i'd like that. 15 players.
It would be a young fairly young team and wouldn't have us tied down that much to anyone other than AD/Jrue/Cousins with Hill/Moore/Asik having the next biggest contracts. I'd keep Asik if it didnd't really matter, and just never play him. Don't stretch him unless it's absolutely necessary.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:56 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Maybe in the old salary cap. In today's world I think he's worth $20mil to some teams.
I feel like Jrue is a 15 million a year off ball guard
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
I like that backcourt. Not sure I'd want Koufos and not sure Washington would give up on Oubre with 2 years left on his rookie deal. But if Jrue takes 20 I like it. If not, I'd throw $15M at Hardaway. Of course if Atlanta matches you'd be back to square 1. At that point the Lin/Miles situation would have to play out. We could get Hardaway + Mills for $25M, I don't see a reason to give Jrue that much.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:13 pm to Fun Bunch
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I'm not convinced we would have to give up a 1st round pick for Rubio. I can see Minny just wanting to dump him.
That window is well passed. No way Minny dumps him and doubt they give him up now for a protected 2018 1st. He has been playing awesome for them post ASG and Dunn has been bad.
Post-ASG they are 6-4 with wins over the Jazz, Clippers, Warriors, and Wizards. The losses only coming on the road against playoff teams: @HOU, @SA, @MiL, and @BOS.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:36 pm to Crewz
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I would spend up to the cap, getting a solid wing player or two, then flip Ajinca, QPon and a lotto protected first for Lin. I think that team would be every bit as good short term as one with Jrue
Rubio I would do, but I would not trade a first for one year of Lin as opposed to signing Jrue and using the first to upgrade Moore.
If Lin performs well next year, he opts out and wants more than his projecetd $12.5M (plus kicker) at 29 yrs old and you don't have space to sign someone else with Boogie's cap hold. Leaves you without much options for a starting PG other than to resign Lin. It's not like you have a bunch of salary coming off the books next offseason.
For 2018-19, you'd be at ~$86M with just AD, Hill, Asik, Moore, and Boogie's caphold with a projected $103M cap.
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:44 pm to Not Cooper
quote:
Not sure I'd want Koufos
we have no backup 4 or 5 after AD and Cousins. We need someone. I'd gladly take back Withey.
quote:
not sure Washington would give up on Oubre with 2 years left on his rookie deal
He's barely playing for them right now. Same with Bembry. I doubt Atlanta would give away Prince. Hollis-Jefferson from Brooklyn would probably be easy to get, but I dont' want another guy that literally can't shoot.
If Atlanta was willing to give Hardaway away for a 2nd earlier in the year, i'd think Bembry could be had very easily. None of those guys are anything special, just young SF's.
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We could get Hardaway + Mills for $25M, I don't see a reason to give Jrue that much.
I don't think it's possible to not sign Jrue and then get two decent guys. If you don't sign Jrue, you operate under the cap, unless you do a S&T with Jrue and get his $18M exception. if you just let him walk, you sign someone with cap space and don't have the MLE for Mills.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:54 pm to TeddyPadillac
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don't have the MLE for Mills.
I don't think you are getting Mills for the MLE. He has made very little in his career so should be looking to maximize $$$ and San Antonio would gladly give the MLE to keep him. Delladova got $9M per for 4 years. Really think Mills is going to sign here for $8.4M?
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I don't think it's possible to not sign Jrue and then get two decent guys. If you don't sign Jrue, you operate under the cap, unless you do a S&T with Jrue and get his $18M exception. if you just let him walk, you sign someone with cap space and don't have the MLE for Mills.
We could just straight up give him 10 and Hardaway 15 instead of Jrue's 25 is what I was saying. If we did that we'd fill out the roster with min contracts but it could be done.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Same with Bembry. I doubt Atlanta would give away Prince.
I think they keep Prince for sure. Atlanta has a ton of wings but he's a big wing. The kind of guy they didn't have the last time they ran into LeBron with Carroll injured and Bazemore more 2/3 than 3/4.
I really wonder if Bazemore is gettable. He hasn't had a terrible season but he has regressed a bit after they paid him like a guy on the rise. Money is the reason they were considering trading Millsap before, now that it looks like they aren't blowing it up, maybe they save money buy dumping Bazemore and giving more minutes to Bembry/Prince next year?
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