- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Eisenberg's Luthor vs. Leto's Joker
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:01 pm
Which one was more of an abortion?
I just stumbled in BvS on HBO and good lord.
How can you decide?
I just stumbled in BvS on HBO and good lord.
How can you decide?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:06 pm to Breesus
Eisenberg......easy. Both were shitty movies, but suicide squad was a whopper of a turd. Made Leto's shite just kind of blend in with the the shite that is suicide squad as a whole. Batman vs superman had a few ok things that made Eisenberg stand out. This is a tough one honestly, they were both terrible in terrible movies. It was like having a stomach virus and shitting and puking at the same time.....frick the DCEU.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:06 pm to Breesus
Eisenberg hands down. The casting left you completely without gravitas which the film so deeply desired. Leto's joker wasn't that bad a choice IMO, considering his predecessor's interpretations. They really went overboard with the "thug" angle though.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:07 pm to Breesus
Leto at least slightly resembles the character.
Idk who Eisenberg was playing, but it wasn't Lex Luthor
Idk who Eisenberg was playing, but it wasn't Lex Luthor
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:13 pm to Breesus
Eisenberg is a chump. Luthor is not
Eisenberg hands down is worse
Eisenberg hands down is worse
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:14 pm to Breesus
I loved Eisenberg's Lex, as did my family. Leto...not so much.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:25 pm to Breesus
Leto's Joker was a somewhat respectable interpretation of the character. It was shite, clearly, but I could see a rational interpretation of the Joker within it.
Eisenberg's Luthor though... holy fricking shite. Aside from being rich and hating Superman, he has nothing in common with his source material. Lex is a physically imposing genius with a God complex who sees himself as the true champion for humanity. Honestly this Luthor is the fricking Riddler. There's no way in hell a good Luthor would use his own prototype bullets to frame Superman for murder. Luthor typically makes sure nothing traces back to him, but this one is just begging for everyone to find him.
Eisenberg's Luthor was a wimp and a pussy. He was also insane, which Lex tends not to be. He's perfectly sane and wishes to bring humanity to its highest form. Unfortunately Luthor doesn't perceive that his visions for a greater humanity primarily benefit himself over everyone else, and he doesn't really give a shite about the casualties that may result from his pursuit of a perfect world.
So why the frick did he create Doomsday? It makes no god damn sense. He has to be completely crazy to create Doomsday to defeat Superman and surely doom the world if Superman loses. What the frick is that? It's the actions of a person who has no rational motives.
At least I can see some Joker in Leto's terrible interpretation, but I see none of Luthor in Eisenberg's. And what's even more insulting, we have yet to have an even decent interpretation of Luthor on the big screen. Please give me someone who isn't a bat shite insane pussy or real estate mongol to represent the character.
As Breesus said, if you're going to base him on a rich guy, go with Elon Musk, not Mark Zuckerberg. With the rise of Trump, it was an incredible frick up to make Lex a nutjob from the start. When designing the DCEU, the first thought that should have passed through their head was "President Luthor". Instead they fricked it up right out of the gate with Jesse Eisenberg.
Eisenberg's Luthor though... holy fricking shite. Aside from being rich and hating Superman, he has nothing in common with his source material. Lex is a physically imposing genius with a God complex who sees himself as the true champion for humanity. Honestly this Luthor is the fricking Riddler. There's no way in hell a good Luthor would use his own prototype bullets to frame Superman for murder. Luthor typically makes sure nothing traces back to him, but this one is just begging for everyone to find him.
Eisenberg's Luthor was a wimp and a pussy. He was also insane, which Lex tends not to be. He's perfectly sane and wishes to bring humanity to its highest form. Unfortunately Luthor doesn't perceive that his visions for a greater humanity primarily benefit himself over everyone else, and he doesn't really give a shite about the casualties that may result from his pursuit of a perfect world.
So why the frick did he create Doomsday? It makes no god damn sense. He has to be completely crazy to create Doomsday to defeat Superman and surely doom the world if Superman loses. What the frick is that? It's the actions of a person who has no rational motives.
At least I can see some Joker in Leto's terrible interpretation, but I see none of Luthor in Eisenberg's. And what's even more insulting, we have yet to have an even decent interpretation of Luthor on the big screen. Please give me someone who isn't a bat shite insane pussy or real estate mongol to represent the character.
As Breesus said, if you're going to base him on a rich guy, go with Elon Musk, not Mark Zuckerberg. With the rise of Trump, it was an incredible frick up to make Lex a nutjob from the start. When designing the DCEU, the first thought that should have passed through their head was "President Luthor". Instead they fricked it up right out of the gate with Jesse Eisenberg.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:30 pm to Breesus
Eisenberg's Luthor is worse, for me. I'm older, remember the classic comic books from the 70s. I thought they nailed Superman perfectly from an appearance standpoint, and Affleck wasn't bad as Batman (he's better, for example, than Keaton was, just from looks). If you go by the appearances, then Luthor should have been bald, with a menacing, brooding presence. Someone who could have pulled off the purple shirt look, and gotten away with it.
If you were to put the characters together, Luthor needs to be someone the Joker would have some respect for, and be a little wary of crossing too openly; and the Joker needs to have a wild edge to him that that would make you watch him closely, but would still have the ability to creatively solve a problem for other villains. The two should be able to meet and say "we can do business together, I like your style".
Leto does that ok, he comes off as someone a tycoon would have in the shadows to do his dirty work if it were profitable for both. But Eisenberg just comes across as someone that the Joker would shoot after a minute or two.
If you were to put the characters together, Luthor needs to be someone the Joker would have some respect for, and be a little wary of crossing too openly; and the Joker needs to have a wild edge to him that that would make you watch him closely, but would still have the ability to creatively solve a problem for other villains. The two should be able to meet and say "we can do business together, I like your style".
Leto does that ok, he comes off as someone a tycoon would have in the shadows to do his dirty work if it were profitable for both. But Eisenberg just comes across as someone that the Joker would shoot after a minute or two.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 10:59 pm to Breesus
I don't know how I feel about Leto. Part of me thinks he didn't get a fair shake in Suicide Squad. They really messed that up. I didn't care for Eisenberg's take. I think he did a good job with the angle he was taking though. Give me Rosenbaum from Smallville all day long.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:16 pm to Breesus
I'm gonna go Eisenberg. I think if you just removed his scenes completely you might actually have a decent movie.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:25 pm to Breesus
quote:
Eisenberg's Luthor vs. Leto's Joker
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:44 pm to Breesus
Leto as the Joker actually has potential to be a good character with a better script for him. He plays the Joker as whimsically insane and in some aspects, that's rather fitting.
That being said, it's going to be hard for anyone to top Ledgers Joker. He played that character perfectly as a genius psychopath.
That being said, it's going to be hard for anyone to top Ledgers Joker. He played that character perfectly as a genius psychopath.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 11:57 pm to Breesus
I actually liked the casting, and the approach. I had the hope that it would be something different and well done....
Yeah I was wrong.
Yeah I was wrong.
Posted on 3/11/17 at 6:31 am to Breesus
Eisenberg was lightyears worse. The character had no connection to its source material. He was cringeworthy to watch and his awfulness lingered over the entire film.
Posted on 3/11/17 at 10:36 am to Breesus
This is like choosing between a cat turd or a dog turd
Posted on 3/11/17 at 11:01 am to Breesus
I don't give a frick about comics or who Lex is supposed to be. Jesse Eisenberg can't act, he plays himself and he's unlikable. This series or universe or cosmos or whatever it is should go away.
Posted on 3/11/17 at 2:27 pm to Breesus
I'm still lost on that jolly rancher scene
Posted on 3/11/17 at 7:54 pm to Breesus
At least Eisenberg didn't go all Daniel Day Lewis on the set and then turn in that shite. Leto was doing all kinds of fricked up shite to be "method".
What really annoys me about Eisenberg is you can do broey or nerdy tech baron and have it work really well for an updated Luthor-- see Oscar Isaac's billionaire tech genius in Ex Machina
What really annoys me about Eisenberg is you can do broey or nerdy tech baron and have it work really well for an updated Luthor-- see Oscar Isaac's billionaire tech genius in Ex Machina
This post was edited on 3/11/17 at 7:57 pm
Popular
Back to top
![logo](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/images/layout/TDIcon.jpg)