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re: Story behind a famous Navy flyby
Posted on 3/9/17 at 2:12 pm to Tigeralum2008
Posted on 3/9/17 at 2:12 pm to Tigeralum2008
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My father was an engineer for Grumman
Each year they would have a company picnic in Calverton, NY where all the Grumman aircraft would put on a private air show.
We are talking everything from vintage Hellcats to E-2's, X-29's and F-14's
I'm sure you've seen this, but it's a great video if you like older prop planes.
Grumman Ironworks - Hellcat and Tigercat and Bearcat - Oh My!
Posted on 3/9/17 at 2:12 pm to Tigeralum2008
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mous Navy flyby
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What happened in '93? Was that when the Tomcat pilot was hotdogging for his parents on takeoff out of Nashville and ended up killing some people?
yep
Posted on 3/9/17 at 2:14 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Saw one catch a mouse, eh?
the score that day was Navy 1
USAF 0
thankfully nobody died.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 2:45 pm to choupiquesushi
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mous Navy flyby
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What happened in '93? Was that when the Tomcat pilot was hotdogging for his parents on takeoff out of Nashville and ended up killing some people?
yep
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I googled the incident after I posted. That happened in Jan., '96. The pilot's parents were from Chattanooga, so they came to see him when he flew into Nashville on a training flight from San Diego. He requested, and was approved for, a full military power/maximum thrust takeoff. Basically, full burner when the wheels come off the deck. Apparently, the "rule" is not to exceed 50 degrees nose up. This guy went near vertical into a 2,300' cloud deck. He loses situational awareness and is still on full burner when he comes back out of the bottom of the cloud deck. Too late for he or his RIO to eject, and they fly right into a house with 16,000 lbs of fuel onboard.
He had already crashed a Tomcat off of Hawaii, but got a pass because, in the spirit of Naval Aviation, he was "flying aggressively".
mous Navy flyby
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What happened in '93? Was that when the Tomcat pilot was hotdogging for his parents on takeoff out of Nashville and ended up killing some people?
yep
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I googled the incident after I posted. That happened in Jan., '96. The pilot's parents were from Chattanooga, so they came to see him when he flew into Nashville on a training flight from San Diego. He requested, and was approved for, a full military power/maximum thrust takeoff. Basically, full burner when the wheels come off the deck. Apparently, the "rule" is not to exceed 50 degrees nose up. This guy went near vertical into a 2,300' cloud deck. He loses situational awareness and is still on full burner when he comes back out of the bottom of the cloud deck. Too late for he or his RIO to eject, and they fly right into a house with 16,000 lbs of fuel onboard.
He had already crashed a Tomcat off of Hawaii, but got a pass because, in the spirit of Naval Aviation, he was "flying aggressively".
Posted on 3/9/17 at 4:46 pm to SthGADawg
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the reason I joined the Navy as an AE was to work on F-14's...I never realized this goal because my first duty station was helos...by the time I got to go somewhere else...the Tomcat had been decommed...
I was an AE on Harriers in the Marines. Did you go through Memphis or Pensacola?
Posted on 3/9/17 at 5:42 pm to White Roach
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quote: mous Navy flyby quote: What happened in '93? Was that when the Tomcat pilot was hotdogging for his parents on takeoff out of Nashville and ended up killing some people? yep --------------------------------------------------------------- I googled the incident after I posted. That happened in Jan., '96. The pilot's parents were from Chattanooga, so they came to see him when he flew into Nashville on a training flight from San Diego. He requested, and was approved for, a full military power/maximum thrust takeoff. Basically, full burner when the wheels come off the deck. Apparently, the "rule" is not to exceed 50 degrees nose up. This guy went near vertical into a 2,300' cloud deck. He loses situational awareness and is still on full burner when he comes back out of the bottom of the cloud deck. Too late for he or his RIO to eject, and they fly right into a house with 16,000 lbs of fuel onboard. He had already crashed a Tomcat off of Hawaii, but got a pass because, in the spirit of Naval Aviation, he was "flying aggressively".
The pilot was a dumbass. The RIO was a relative and confided to his parents his concerns about the pilot. Nothing was done by his superiors.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 5:53 pm to ChewyDante
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I'm not sure if there are anymore active F-14 squadrons
I can 100% assure you there are not.
The Iranians may still be flying theirs, I'm not sure.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 5:56 pm to Tigeralum2008
Snort, you are a certified bad arse.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:01 pm to Tigeralum2008
Dude. thanks for posting this. I love the tomcat. The F-14 was one of Americas greatest fighters and the pinnacle of the Grumman "cat" series of aircraft. The F-14 and the F-4 were the muscle beasts of 1970's navy fighter aviation. both muscle car types no longer seen.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:11 pm to Tigeralum2008
No, no, below the hard deck does not count.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:37 pm to upgrayedd
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Those SR-71s are way smaller than I expected them to be
You ought to see one from inside the fuselage...
As for the Tomcat, I have never seen an uglier bird on the ground, nor a prettier bird in flight with wings tucked.
But I'll give you Navy guys this...that scene in Top Gun where Mav is walking to the back of the carrier and the 14 is sitting fully armed with wings tucked....Bad-azz!!!!!!
This post was edited on 3/9/17 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 3/9/17 at 8:16 pm to SaturdayTraditions
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I grew up in Alexandria... so I have always had a soft spot for this bad boy...BBRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTT
I grew up in Evangeline Parish, just south of Rapides Parish in the 70s. Not only A-10's but there were all kinds of airplanes that flew out of there at times.
I remember in the early 80's some sort of exercise was going on, with A-7s and F-4s flying all over this area. We were water-skiing at Crooked Creek and the pilots kept coming lower and lower to get a look at the chicks in the boats and on the beach.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:12 pm to Tigeralum2008
I actually got to fly with Snort in the back seat of a P-51 at the 1998 Fourth of July Airshow at St. Louis. I was walking down the flight line after practicing my demo and they were about to take the Mustang out, asked me if I wanted to jump in. Hell Yeah!! Got a little nervous after wedging myself into the jumpseat in the back. No controls, QD pins in the pilot seat-back to tilt it forward for entry. Got a little nervous when it seemed to take him a long time to go through the checklist. "I've been mostly flying the Corsair lately." Thanks, I feel a whole lot better now!! :-) Nice plane, clean enough to eat off of, and they babied the motor, believe me. Still felt like a Boss Hog Eldorado, lots of metal and a big-arse motor out front. We flew south along the river and "strafed" some trains. Great memory.
I'll eat my hat if the previous poster saw a Tomcat doing a 60 deg high AOA pass. The F-14D demo was a sight to behold, you could fell those afterburners resonate in your chest. Most likely a Hornet or Super Hornet demo. We flew at ~40 alpha in the F-18 demo and it was on the ragged edge. Lose a motor at 500 ft and you had about a second and a half to decide to get out.
The big Reduction in Force stretched from about 91-93. One third of the pilots were axed from the training program immediately. Those of us (OCS/ROTC) who came in with Reserve commissions had to apply for Augmentation to the Regular Navy if you wanted to stay in. I got to the Fleet in 93 and one of the Ltjg's in my squadron applied and was turned down and sent home.
I went through A-4 training with Stacy Bates, the pilot of the jet that crashed in Nashville. At the time he was one of the first NFO-to-Pilot transitions, as he had already done a tour in the back seat of the Tomcat. Many of them went on to fine careers in the pilot seat.
Lots of 10-20 year old info in this thread. During my 2 Gulf cruises in 93 and 96 we were still concerned that the Iranian's might be able to scrape an airworthy 14 together. I suspect they don't worry about it too much these days.
The Tomcat was a great Cold War fleet defense interceptor, but by the mid 90's radar and avionics advances were starting to pass it by. We weren't so much worried anymore about the Russian Backfires and Foxbats that could be successfully engaged with the Phoenix and the development of active radar missiles that the enemy could fire and forget negated the Tomcat/Phoenix range advantage. At the same time, the rise of "smart" GPS guided weapons required huge avionics upgrades that weren't cost effective to turn the Tomcat into the Bombcat and they were becoming more maintenance intensive by the day. We flew mixed section with our sister squadron, the VF-21 Freelancers, on a lot of sorties over Iraq. I saw many 14's launch to go over the beach during Southern Watch that I wouldn't have been caught dead in.
Bottom line, sweet plane flown by some shite hot guys that had its moment in the sun as the king of the hill, but time and tide wait for no man.
I'll eat my hat if the previous poster saw a Tomcat doing a 60 deg high AOA pass. The F-14D demo was a sight to behold, you could fell those afterburners resonate in your chest. Most likely a Hornet or Super Hornet demo. We flew at ~40 alpha in the F-18 demo and it was on the ragged edge. Lose a motor at 500 ft and you had about a second and a half to decide to get out.
The big Reduction in Force stretched from about 91-93. One third of the pilots were axed from the training program immediately. Those of us (OCS/ROTC) who came in with Reserve commissions had to apply for Augmentation to the Regular Navy if you wanted to stay in. I got to the Fleet in 93 and one of the Ltjg's in my squadron applied and was turned down and sent home.
I went through A-4 training with Stacy Bates, the pilot of the jet that crashed in Nashville. At the time he was one of the first NFO-to-Pilot transitions, as he had already done a tour in the back seat of the Tomcat. Many of them went on to fine careers in the pilot seat.
Lots of 10-20 year old info in this thread. During my 2 Gulf cruises in 93 and 96 we were still concerned that the Iranian's might be able to scrape an airworthy 14 together. I suspect they don't worry about it too much these days.
The Tomcat was a great Cold War fleet defense interceptor, but by the mid 90's radar and avionics advances were starting to pass it by. We weren't so much worried anymore about the Russian Backfires and Foxbats that could be successfully engaged with the Phoenix and the development of active radar missiles that the enemy could fire and forget negated the Tomcat/Phoenix range advantage. At the same time, the rise of "smart" GPS guided weapons required huge avionics upgrades that weren't cost effective to turn the Tomcat into the Bombcat and they were becoming more maintenance intensive by the day. We flew mixed section with our sister squadron, the VF-21 Freelancers, on a lot of sorties over Iraq. I saw many 14's launch to go over the beach during Southern Watch that I wouldn't have been caught dead in.
Bottom line, sweet plane flown by some shite hot guys that had its moment in the sun as the king of the hill, but time and tide wait for no man.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:45 pm to flyingtexastiger
And I actually got to fly with you……
Great story. I wish I had more up votes to give.
Great story. I wish I had more up votes to give.
This post was edited on 3/9/17 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:14 pm to FlyinTiger
Dude, you should write a book about your career!!
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:15 pm to Tigeralum2008
And then some bitches got their panties in a bunch and Tailhook happened.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:19 pm to udtiger
Well, technically Tailhook happened first.
Thank God I didn't make it that year, because my drunk photo-bomb exploits are legendary.
Thank God I didn't make it that year, because my drunk photo-bomb exploits are legendary.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:19 pm to flyingtexastiger
I thought Tailhook was early 90s?
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