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Tikka (and other rifles) Safety Question
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:43 pm
I have wondered this for years. And it came up at the camp yesterday.
Why must you place the safety on Fire to close the bolt and load the gun? This seems incredibly unsafe.
My BIL has a Remington and it has 3 safety positions. One is Safe and Locked. The middle position lets you work the bolt but not fire the rifle. And Fire lets you fire.
I had an M77 as a kid. And a 700 as a young adult. I don't remember that being the case on either of those.
Can anyone enlighten me?
Why must you place the safety on Fire to close the bolt and load the gun? This seems incredibly unsafe.
My BIL has a Remington and it has 3 safety positions. One is Safe and Locked. The middle position lets you work the bolt but not fire the rifle. And Fire lets you fire.
I had an M77 as a kid. And a 700 as a young adult. I don't remember that being the case on either of those.
Can anyone enlighten me?
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:51 pm to No Colors
It's only unsafe if you don't follow the other gun safety rules.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:51 pm to No Colors
I've wondered the same thing. I have a Stevens(made by Savage Arms) that has to be on "fire" to operate the bolt. My son has a Savage Axis that you can work the bolt on "fire" or "safety".
I've wondered why the same company would have 2 different designs like that.
I've wondered why the same company would have 2 different designs like that.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:51 pm to No Colors
My brownings have to be on fire to operate the bolt as well
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:58 pm to No Colors
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Why must you place the safety on Fire to close the bolt and load the gun?
Safeties are supposed to prevent accidental manipulation of the fire control system. Locking the action seems prudent.
If you want a safety to protect you from your own actions ... I suggest more training or another hobby.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:03 pm to No Colors
Not sure if this is the reason but it does cause you to mindful of the safety position by having to manipulate it to work the action.
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:19 pm to No Colors
What Remington has a 3 position safety?
Remingtons 2 position safety allows you to manipulate the action and clear the chamber.
Any of the three position safeties should allow this as well.
No idea what rifle requires you to put it on fire. Never seen that before.
3 position safeties are normally:
Safe-bolt locked
Safe-bolt unlocked
Fire
You don't have to put it all the way to fire to manipulate the bolt.
ETA: looks like model 700s built before 1982 had what the OP is describing.
Remingtons 2 position safety allows you to manipulate the action and clear the chamber.
Any of the three position safeties should allow this as well.
No idea what rifle requires you to put it on fire. Never seen that before.
3 position safeties are normally:
Safe-bolt locked
Safe-bolt unlocked
Fire
You don't have to put it all the way to fire to manipulate the bolt.
ETA: looks like model 700s built before 1982 had what the OP is describing.
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:21 pm to No Colors
It's so the bolt doesn't snag on something while walking around and pop open.
I personally LOVE the tikka safety and hate 3 positions. It's easily to use and does everything I want.
I personally LOVE the tikka safety and hate 3 positions. It's easily to use and does everything I want.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:22 pm to No Colors
One of the big things I like about the Sako A7 is it has a separate bolt release button, that you can use to chamber in or out a live round without firing. I wish the Tikka had that same feature.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:27 pm to No Colors
My Cz .22 is the only gun I own that is that way and I've wondered the same thing. I figured it was because it was made by foreigners.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 7:36 am to No Colors
My browning x-bolt has a button that lets me open it while on safety.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 7:51 am to No Colors
In the stand now and was just thinking that's the only thing I dislike about my tikka.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:36 pm to No Colors
Aftermarket companies offer a 3 position safety for Remington bolts.
I don't care one way or another how the safety on my rifles work, as long as the gun will not fire with the safety on, and the safety is easy to flick off with my thumb when I'm ready to shoot.
I don't care one way or another how the safety on my rifles work, as long as the gun will not fire with the safety on, and the safety is easy to flick off with my thumb when I'm ready to shoot.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 9:31 pm to No Colors
I have an old savage 243 with the "3 safety's". Not a bad idea. I think it's a good thing to have, especially on youth models. It's just as safe as the traditional "2 safety" guns IMO but for someone with real gun discipline it could be like cheap insurance.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 3:25 pm to No Colors
I was unsure how my older Tikka (m695) worked with the safety so I picked it up to see.
On the m695, if you bolt in a round in the safety position you can lift the bolt without placing it into fire. If you engage the safety into the fire position, and go back you cannot lift the bolt unless the safety is in the fire position. If you bolt in a round in the fire position you must place it back into fire before you can lift the bolt.
Overall, not a bad compromise, but I prefer the override available on guns like the Sako A7 and Browning X-Bolt.
On the m695, if you bolt in a round in the safety position you can lift the bolt without placing it into fire. If you engage the safety into the fire position, and go back you cannot lift the bolt unless the safety is in the fire position. If you bolt in a round in the fire position you must place it back into fire before you can lift the bolt.
Overall, not a bad compromise, but I prefer the override available on guns like the Sako A7 and Browning X-Bolt.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 6:26 pm to No Colors
I wouldn't have expected so much discussion about safeties. Personally, I prefer the 3 position Savage or Winchester M70 safeties, but I'm comfortable w/ whatever safety the gun I'm using has. For the last couple years my main hunting guns have been Remington XP-100's and Savage bolt action handguns, but I've used just about everything else through the years. The XP bolt can be worked w/ the safety engaged so that's how I use it to load or unload the gun. OTOH, I've used guns w/ a blind box mag (no floor plate) where one had to work the action to unload the mag one round at a time. If the safety had to be "off", I just made a point to keep my finger off the trigger and point the muzzle in a safe direction while running the mag. I've had guns w/ hinged floor plates, but I know some hunters who prefer a detatchable/blind mag for fear the hinged floor plate may come loose and dump a mag full of ammo. Use what you're comfortable using. If you're uncomfortable w/ a gun's safety, change to a different gun.
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