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Tikka (and other rifles) Safety Question

Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:43 pm
Posted by No Colors
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:43 pm
I have wondered this for years. And it came up at the camp yesterday.

Why must you place the safety on Fire to close the bolt and load the gun? This seems incredibly unsafe.

My BIL has a Remington and it has 3 safety positions. One is Safe and Locked. The middle position lets you work the bolt but not fire the rifle. And Fire lets you fire.

I had an M77 as a kid. And a 700 as a young adult. I don't remember that being the case on either of those.

Can anyone enlighten me?
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5872 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:51 pm to
It's only unsafe if you don't follow the other gun safety rules.
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
16502 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:51 pm to
I've wondered the same thing. I have a Stevens(made by Savage Arms) that has to be on "fire" to operate the bolt. My son has a Savage Axis that you can work the bolt on "fire" or "safety".

I've wondered why the same company would have 2 different designs like that.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25169 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:51 pm to
My brownings have to be on fire to operate the bolt as well
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
90877 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 3:58 pm to
quote:

Why must you place the safety on Fire to close the bolt and load the gun?


Safeties are supposed to prevent accidental manipulation of the fire control system. Locking the action seems prudent.

If you want a safety to protect you from your own actions ... I suggest more training or another hobby.
Posted by tigerfan1974
Member since Dec 2009
607 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:03 pm to
Not sure if this is the reason but it does cause you to mindful of the safety position by having to manipulate it to work the action.
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 4:04 pm
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
31597 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:19 pm to
What Remington has a 3 position safety?

Remingtons 2 position safety allows you to manipulate the action and clear the chamber.

Any of the three position safeties should allow this as well.

No idea what rifle requires you to put it on fire. Never seen that before.

3 position safeties are normally:
Safe-bolt locked
Safe-bolt unlocked
Fire

You don't have to put it all the way to fire to manipulate the bolt.

ETA: looks like model 700s built before 1982 had what the OP is describing.
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66925 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 4:21 pm to
It's so the bolt doesn't snag on something while walking around and pop open.

I personally LOVE the tikka safety and hate 3 positions. It's easily to use and does everything I want.
Posted by Citica8
Duckroost, LA
Member since Dec 2012
3670 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:22 pm to
One of the big things I like about the Sako A7 is it has a separate bolt release button, that you can use to chamber in or out a live round without firing. I wish the Tikka had that same feature.
Posted by cbiscuit
Member since Dec 2013
873 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:27 pm to
My Cz .22 is the only gun I own that is that way and I've wondered the same thing. I figured it was because it was made by foreigners.
Posted by crazytigerfan69
everywhere
Member since Apr 2004
5702 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 7:36 am to
My browning x-bolt has a button that lets me open it while on safety.
Posted by kennahbra
Da Bayou
Member since Apr 2016
164 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 7:51 am to
In the stand now and was just thinking that's the only thing I dislike about my tikka.
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
13404 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:36 pm to
Aftermarket companies offer a 3 position safety for Remington bolts.
I don't care one way or another how the safety on my rifles work, as long as the gun will not fire with the safety on, and the safety is easy to flick off with my thumb when I'm ready to shoot.
Posted by jkcooper92
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2014
182 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 9:31 pm to
I have an old savage 243 with the "3 safety's". Not a bad idea. I think it's a good thing to have, especially on youth models. It's just as safe as the traditional "2 safety" guns IMO but for someone with real gun discipline it could be like cheap insurance.
Posted by Citica8
Duckroost, LA
Member since Dec 2012
3670 posts
Posted on 1/1/17 at 3:25 pm to
I was unsure how my older Tikka (m695) worked with the safety so I picked it up to see.


On the m695, if you bolt in a round in the safety position you can lift the bolt without placing it into fire. If you engage the safety into the fire position, and go back you cannot lift the bolt unless the safety is in the fire position. If you bolt in a round in the fire position you must place it back into fire before you can lift the bolt.

Overall, not a bad compromise, but I prefer the override available on guns like the Sako A7 and Browning X-Bolt.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6913 posts
Posted on 1/1/17 at 6:26 pm to
I wouldn't have expected so much discussion about safeties. Personally, I prefer the 3 position Savage or Winchester M70 safeties, but I'm comfortable w/ whatever safety the gun I'm using has. For the last couple years my main hunting guns have been Remington XP-100's and Savage bolt action handguns, but I've used just about everything else through the years. The XP bolt can be worked w/ the safety engaged so that's how I use it to load or unload the gun. OTOH, I've used guns w/ a blind box mag (no floor plate) where one had to work the action to unload the mag one round at a time. If the safety had to be "off", I just made a point to keep my finger off the trigger and point the muzzle in a safe direction while running the mag. I've had guns w/ hinged floor plates, but I know some hunters who prefer a detatchable/blind mag for fear the hinged floor plate may come loose and dump a mag full of ammo. Use what you're comfortable using. If you're uncomfortable w/ a gun's safety, change to a different gun.
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