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re: DHS/FBI joint report on Russia

Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:35 pm to
Posted by FutureRATeammember
Member since Jan 2015
3769 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:35 pm to
Russia invades crimea. US takes little action.

Russia bombs Syria. Obama yawns.

Democrats get asses kicked in elections, Russian spies kicked put of US. But obama was cool with then previous 8 years.

I guess the 1980s is getting its foreign policy back! If only democrats would have listened to Romney instead of making sick burns at his expense.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:36 pm to
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The document makes clear reference to the hacks of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta,


Oh really? Wow, that's a pretty big deal..

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although it does not mention either by name


Wait a second!
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43478 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:38 pm to
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Dont know much about the conventions eh


Then why aren't we at war?

Why did we not go to war when China hacked OPM, an ACTUAL government agency?

FFS the DNC isn't even a government agency.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:39 pm to
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Then why aren't we at war?



I cant answer that, but there is justification under the conventions
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
91229 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:40 pm to
Why are liberals so eager to go to war with Russia?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263293 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:41 pm to
Well, that was disappointing.

Hillary cost the Democrats the election, not the Russians. The report is nothing but a bunch of fluff pushed so people will not read it and think its' some kind of earth shattering news.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
49014 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:41 pm to
Is the DNC a governmental agency or a private entity?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263293 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:45 pm to
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Why are liberals so eager to go to war with Russia?


I imagine the enlistment center would have very few of their voters.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
49189 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:45 pm to
wtf is that bullshite
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
4469 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:47 pm to
The FBI report mentioning "a U.S. political party" instead of specifically naming "Democratic Party" is laughable?

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In the course of that campaign, APT29 successfully compromised a U.S. political party. At least one targeted individual activated links to malware hosted on operational infrastructure of opened attachments containing malware. APT29 delivered malware to the political party’s systems, established persistence, escalated privileges, enumerated active directory accounts, and exfiltrated email from several accounts through encrypted connections back through operational infrastructure. In spring 2016, APT28 compromised the same political party, again via targeted spearphishing.


Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
148131 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:47 pm to
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Does it say anywhere in the report that one of HRC's IT guys went to reddit to find out how to redact her emails? Wipe her server? Does it say that the DNC are complete morons because Podestaaaaa put his AppleID Password in a gmail?
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
15118 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:48 pm to
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Is the DNC a governmental agency or a private entity?

Shhhh! The answer to that question might alter the narrative.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
49014 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:49 pm to
Is the dnc a private entity or a governmental entity?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
148131 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:51 pm to
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Here are just ten of the reasons the “Russian hacking” story is a sham — a left-wing twist on the red-baiting McCarthyism of the 1950s.

1. There is actually no new information leading the CIA to its conclusion. The New York Times reports: “The C.I.A.’s conclusion does not appear to be the product of specific new intelligence obtained since the election, several American officials, including some who had read the agency’s briefing, said on Sunday. Rather, it was an analysis of what many believe is overwhelming circumstantial evidence — evidence that others feel does not support firm judgments — that the Russians put a thumb on the scale for Mr. Trump, and got their desired outcome.” In other words, someone only decided after Trump won that the accusation was worth making.

2. The “evidence” that the CIA has gathered is inconclusive. The FBI also disagrees with some of the CIA’s conclusions about Russia’s motives. “While lawmakers were seemingly united on the need to present a strong bipartisan response, the FBI and CIA gave lawmakers differing accounts on Russia’s motives, according to The Post,” The Hill reported on Sunday.

3. The CIA is not making public claims that Russia hacked the election. Several CIA veterans, in fact, have urged caution about the leaked reports. As Newsweek reports: “‘I am not saying that I don’t think Russia did this,’ Nada Bakos, a top former CIA counterterrorism officer tells Newsweek, in a typical comment. ‘My main concern is that we will rush to judgment. The analysis needs to be cohesive and done the right way.'” Thus far there is not even a clear idea what the CIA’s conclusions are.

4. Despite left-wing “fake news,” there is no evidence Russian hackers actually distorted the voting process. The most that the CIA is alleging is that the Russians may have helped hack of the Democratic National Committee emails, as well as (possibly) the emails of Hillary Clinton campaign chaiman John Podesta. There is zero evidence Russian hackers messed with voting. Ironically, Green Party candidate Jill Stein’s recount has eliminated any doubt about the integrity of the results.

5. The Obama administration has a history of manipulating intelligence for political gain. The most under-reported scandal of Obama’s presidency was the CENTCOM scandal, in which it emerged that “senior U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) leaders manipulated intelligence assessments in 2014 and 2015 to make it appear that President Barack Obama is winning the war against the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL).” There is even more reason to doubt the truth of a selective leak about the election.

6. Julian Assange and Wikileaks have vigorously denied that the Russians were involved in Wikileaks’ disclosures. Of the Democratic National Committee emails, Assange said: “That is the circumstantial evidence that some Russian, or someone who wanted to make them look like a Russian, was involved, with these other media organisations. That is not the case for the material that we released.” Assange made similar denials about the Podesta email leaks later in the election.

7. The fact that the Russians might constantly be trying to hack U.S. systems, and might even specifically have targeted the election, does not prove that they succeeded. Nor does it prove that they tipped the election to Trump even if they had some effect. As pollster Frank Luntz tweeted: “Did Russia also hack Hillary’s campaign calendar and delete all her stops in rural Wisconsin, Penn., and Michigan?” Hillary Clinton lost the election for reasons entirely of her own making.

8. Foreign interference in elections is nothing new — and the Obama administration is a prime culprit. In 2015, the Obama administration made a strenuous and not-terribly-well-hidden effort to swing the Israeli elections toward the opposition and away from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The State Department gave $300,000 to a “pro-peace” Israeli group, which then paid political activists whose goal was to unseat Netanyahu. In 1984, the late Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) actually asked for Soviet help. Russian efforts to intervene would be bad, but not unique, either for Russia or for the U.S.

9. What would the consequences of allowing undue Russian influence in our elections be, exactly? Would we yield primacy in Eastern Europe to Vladimir Putin? Would we give up our plans for missile defense? Would we make deep unilateral cuts in our nuclear arsenal in exchange for flimsy concessions ? Would we tolerate a Russian land invasion of a friendly, pro-Western country? Would we cede the Middle East to Russian hegemony? Because Hillary Clinton and Obama already did that.

10. Occam’s razor: the simplest explanation for the “Russian hacking” story is that it is “fake news” that suits the left-wing media. It is not unknown for Russia to use false propaganda to affect public opinion in foreign countries. Nor is it unknown for the U.S. media to use bias, “fake news,” and outright lies to shift public opinion in this country. The current focus on Russian “hacking,” based on no new evidence and — again — zero evidence of tampering with the voting process.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:51 pm to
I've yet to figure out why I should be mad that the DNC and Hillarys corruption got exposed?
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
4469 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:52 pm to
Private. Why can't you google simple questions?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
148131 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:55 pm to
Remember, it was reported yesterday that they reopened HRC's email case. So, are they now admitting HRC/the DNC, was hacked by a foreign government and was put in a position of blackmail? Podesta is HRC's campaign.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
49014 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:56 pm to
I just wonder why you think the President should punish a country for hacking into a private organization. When North Korea did it to Sony President Obama called it "cyber vandalism". Why the different reaction now? Hmmmmm....wonder what the could be.

This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 2:56 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119547 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:58 pm to
So the report is a big nothing burger and Obama is placing sanctions on Russia about a big nothing burger.

Obama is such a dumbass. I can't wait for that dullard to GTFO.
Posted by TidenUP
Dauphin Island
Member since Apr 2011
14456 posts
Posted on 12/29/16 at 2:59 pm to
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mad that the DNC and Hillarys corruption got exposed?


This is the problem in a nutshell. No one is disputing the info, it's the fact that it was exposed to the public that's got the libs upset. Those idiots are mad at the messenger, not the info that was in the message
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