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What it Comes Down to: Coach O's Plan is a Revolving Door of Coordinators
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:34 pm
Fact #1: O is not a good Offensive or Defensive Coach. Everyone knows this.
Fact #2: O is never going to be the smartest guy on your staff
Fact #3: The last time O had full control of a program, he was a miserable failure.
Fact #4: The entire reason to hire O was not because of O, but because he would bring in the best OC and DC's to work with him and coach for him.
Therefore, we hire someone no because they are an offensive or defensive genius. We also don't hire someone who is going to put together a 10-year plan of how to dominate. We also hired someone with a bad track record of being a head coach.
We hired someone with the goal to continually bring in top level OC and DC talent over the course of his tenure. This was the selling point, that O would be able to year in and year out replace departing coaches with top level talent that can bring LSU success.
Not building a strong offense and defensive philosophy. You can't do that if your philosophy is changing year in and year out and you yourself don't have a "philosophy." Not creating a program of stability, promoting coaches from within after rigorous training and Professional Development.
O's plan is effectively a revolving door of top level coordinators. This is what he is promising. That is the plan for success. Am I missing anything?
Fact #2: O is never going to be the smartest guy on your staff
Fact #3: The last time O had full control of a program, he was a miserable failure.
Fact #4: The entire reason to hire O was not because of O, but because he would bring in the best OC and DC's to work with him and coach for him.
Therefore, we hire someone no because they are an offensive or defensive genius. We also don't hire someone who is going to put together a 10-year plan of how to dominate. We also hired someone with a bad track record of being a head coach.
We hired someone with the goal to continually bring in top level OC and DC talent over the course of his tenure. This was the selling point, that O would be able to year in and year out replace departing coaches with top level talent that can bring LSU success.
Not building a strong offense and defensive philosophy. You can't do that if your philosophy is changing year in and year out and you yourself don't have a "philosophy." Not creating a program of stability, promoting coaches from within after rigorous training and Professional Development.
O's plan is effectively a revolving door of top level coordinators. This is what he is promising. That is the plan for success. Am I missing anything?
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:35 pm to Freauxzen
That was Miles' plan and if he stayed out of the way he is still coaching LSU today
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:35 pm to Freauxzen
TLDR
Yaw yaw gimme yo parkin pass
Yaw yaw gimme yo parkin pass
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:37 pm to Freauxzen
O isn't a good defensive coach?!?!? He's considered one of the best dline coaches in the country with more first round draft picks than any other coach.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:38 pm to ipodking
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O isn't a good defensive coach?!?!? He's considered one of the best dline coaches in the country with more first round draft picks than any other coach. Yeah he's not a good defensive coach though
He isn't a DC. He's a Dline coach. There is a difference. If he was a good enough DC we should have never hired Aranda.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:38 pm to ipodking
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O isn't a good defensive coach?!?!? He's considered one of the best dline coaches in the country
and why was he never promoted to a DC role?
why was his ceiling always DL coach? that's like RB coach (a recruiting position)
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:38 pm to Freauxzen
Agreed. So now Next Year U can try to learn a new coordinator's system every year.
Let's face it, O was hired because he showed he wasn't Les Miles. And that was the only criteria Alleva was looking for. Now les miles gets to tank the program the rest of the way.
Let's face it, O was hired because he showed he wasn't Les Miles. And that was the only criteria Alleva was looking for. Now les miles gets to tank the program the rest of the way.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:40 pm to Freauxzen
You didn't say DC. You said O wasn't a good defensive coach and that's bullshite.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:40 pm to Freauxzen
Sounds like he is going with the Saban plan but the problem is that he isn't Saban. If the offense, defense or special teams are struggling then Saban is good enough to identify it and fix it. I don't think O can pull that off. Hope I'm wrong.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:41 pm to ipodking
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You said O wasn't a good defensive coach and that's bullshite.
if he was a good defensive coach he'd have been a DC
DL coach is a glorified recruiting position (like RB coach)
any "coaching" is technique and nothing to do with strategy or intelligence
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:42 pm to Freauxzen
We hired Bert Beilema with a worse resume.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:45 pm to bayouboo
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That was Miles' plan and if he stayed out of the way he is still coaching LSU today
Doubtful, there's a reason. This plan doesn't work.
This is why I say that Coach O has a 0% shot at competing for National Championships. Structurally, there's no guiding principal of offense or defense. No team identity, because that identity is ripped to shreds through the revolving door.
Second, what does Coach O do on gamedays? He isn't calling plays. What does he do in the post-game presser? He isn't driving the strategy or the game, his coaches are doing that. Does he constantly blame then if we lose? I mean, it isn't his fault that the offense fails because he isn't calling the offense and he isn't driving the team philosophy, his OC and DC are.
He has no overall gameplan identity. I believe this is precisely why he is successful as an interim coach. He doesn't impose his will, but that also means he doesn't do anything. Coach O is useless on the sideline. Why did Les not step aside for Coaches? Because this was "his team" he was in the presser, he was taking the shots. This is why the idea of this "Coordinator plan" mixing with the usual arrogance of Head Coaches doesn't work. Even someone mild mannered like Les had to get involved.
Fast forward 8 months, let's say by some weird chance, LSU is winning, but everyone in the Media is talking about Aranda and the OC. No one is talking about Coach O. Given the way O ran this campaign, does he step aside? What happens to the politics internally when Coach O can't be really blamed for losses or take credit for wins?
This is a stupid plan, and is completely unsustainable long term.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:55 pm to Freauxzen
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Doubtful, there's a reason. This plan doesn't work.
Dabo Swinney disagrees.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:56 pm to Droplinebacker
Swinney is heavily involved with the offense
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:56 pm to Freauxzen
LSU just got toyed with by a big time program.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 1:58 pm to ipodking
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O isn't a good defensive coach?!?!? He's considered one of the best dline coaches in the country with more first round draft picks than any other coach.
In other words for the slow ones, HE CAN'T CALL PLAYS FOR AN ENTIRE DEFENSE DURING A REAL GAME. He has never been a DC for a reason....
Posted on 11/26/16 at 2:02 pm to Freauxzen
Most successful coaches have a revolving door of coordinators. Saban has more turnover than anyone.
Not a fan of the hire, but let's not be dishonest.
Not a fan of the hire, but let's not be dishonest.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 2:10 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Most successful coaches have a revolving door of coordinators. Saban has more turnover than anyone.
Not a fan of the hire, but let's not be dishonest.
I'm not being dishonest, please read everything though.
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Not building a strong offense and defensive philosophy. You can't do that if your philosophy is changing year in and year out and you yourself don't have a "philosophy."
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He has no overall gameplan identity. I believe this is precisely why he is successful as an interim coach. He doesn't impose his will, but that also means he doesn't do anything. Coach O is useless on the sideline. Why did Les not step aside for Coaches? Because this was "his team" he was in the presser, he was taking the shots. This is why the idea of this "Coordinator plan" mixing with the usual arrogance of Head Coaches doesn't work. Even someone mild mannered like Les had to get involved.
Of course coordinators leave, and it happens often. But does Saban walk to Alabama and say, "I can't really coach anyone, so my plan is to always make sure I have the best coordinators."
No. Saban has a very tight defensive philosophy that drives everything he does. His OC's have have short leashes because everything they do is driven to do x, y, and z, always in service to how he AS A HEAD COACH, approaches the game. He's flexible, but he also has a core idea of he approaches football and this is how he plans for games, hires coordinators, and makes sure that his vision is achieved every time they step on the field.
This is how high level coaches operate. They know what their approach to the game is and everything is in service to that. That's called team identity, and it was a massive problem for a Miles lead team since his vision was far more inflexible, and he had his hands in anything, without really a driving principle.
O is basically saying, I have no gameplan principles, my coordinators will have their own principles and I will make sure to always replace the coordinators that leave, who will have their own new principles for this team.
LSU's identity will become motivation and good feelings and will have nothing to do with a core philosophy because O doesn't have one.
Getting "the best coordinator on the market" is useless if you are not doing it to drive your vision.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 2:55 pm to Freauxzen
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O is basically saying, I have no gameplan principles, my coordinators will have their own principles and I will make sure to always replace the coordinators that leave, who will have their own new principles for this team.
I agree with most of what you're saying but I think you're being a little extreme. Coach O should act like a CEO, hire employees that gives his organization the best chance for success while keeping the programs identity. It's a potentially volatile situation but it could work.
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