re: What do you guys give O credit for?

Winning

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Name 5 teams that have more talent in their 3 deep depth chart than we do. Were we not there preseason?

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Changing the criteria, much? In that case is ATM still #4 because that is where the CFP once had them ranked? Of course not. LSU has not been a top 5 team since the day after Winn loss.

It is SO easy to talk about how many more qualified coaches there are out there. However, if we are really honest with ourselves, how many will leave the security of where they are to take a high profile, but even higher pressure job? Just look at the market the last few years. Established P5 coaches rarely move. That's just the way it is.

And as for the up and comers from the Group of 6, there aren't any sure-fire Urban Meyer at Utahs out there right now. There are a few guys with a lot of promise, but they all also have question marks. Several of them are very young, and a job away from making the big leap.

There is something to be said for stability in a conference like the SEC. Just look at UGA and USC right now. Look how far they have slipped from where they were just 2 years ago. Look at Arkansas over the last 5 years. They were a top 5 team and were literally one game from a title shot (2011 vs LSU). A couple of bad moves later and they are an afterthought. The margins are razor thin and radical change hasn't worked out well for anyone in the SEC who's tried it recently. Auburn is the ONLY recent example, and they have still been very up and down.

We all know Les' flaws and it was past time for him to go. However, you can see that the stability they guys like him and Richt provided prevented the big slide from ever happening. Orgeron has already proven that he can improve upon many of Miles' weaknesses, and should be able to still provide similar stability. He has already kept recruiting stable. If he is hired and can make the right staff moves, he will set the program for 2-4 years of high level success. It is past that point where he would really have to prove himself.

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Just off the top of my head here are a few current HCs that have shown they can run and maintain their own programs better than Coach O did at Ole Miss.

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Maybe half of the coaches on that list bother to interview. Out of that, maybe 5 or 6 are going to make a move. This is more of the same old pie in the sky lists of coaches we keep seeing. They just aren't realistic, and that isn't saying anything negative about LSU. It's about how much money is available at most P5 schools now.

Your list is a shite list. Half of them are not and never will be considered for a job at LSU.

Franklin? Please.
Fleck? Good Lord.
Fisher? Don't want.
Herman? Houston? Uh, NO!!
Cutclife? Really?
Gundy? Okie Lite has done ZERO!
Stoops? Bob? No friggin way.
Sumlin? 1-9 vs. LSU/Bama.

You idiots need to wake up. We probably have our best solution to the coaching problem right on campus in Orgeron. I don't give a shite what he did at Ole Miss. I know what I have seen him do at USC and now at LSU. If he finishes out with the loss to Bama and LSU goes to The Sugar Bowl then Hell Yes give it to him for a 3 year deal that can be bought out easily if need be.
That is what we should do.

He has basically kept the Titanic from sinking.

He deserves a long hard look at being offered the job.

But didn't he adjust everything when he took over? Isn't most all of the things he changed working? He even brought in new personnel that the players are responding to with great play. Some people are fools to even mention the man did nothing, it's borderline retarded. If the only thing you guys have against him is his OM stint a decade ago at a shite school then I guess he's our man because he surely has changed and is doing a fantastic job. Trump is president of the U.S.A. millions of people gave him a chance to shake things up why not O. He isn't going to change a whole lot why would he most of it was obviously working and is now. Be a great leader, implement accountability, demand a certain championship culture on the field/off/in the classroom, bring in a new OC and OL coach, recruit the nation but all of La first/relentlessly, keep what did work, throw out what didn't, same goes for his policies in the future, and politic with his fellow Louisianaians. It's not that hard and I think he would do a fantastic job!!! Go coach O!!

Simple question for pro O crew. Do you think he's more valuable than Aranda?

Pretty sure that no reasonable person could say so. If he's not, how do you make him HC and not Aranda?