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Letting Someone Go
Posted on 10/20/16 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 10/20/16 at 5:18 pm
Had to let an employee go today. Good kid, nice kid, but he just wasn't meeting our standards, no matter how much we tried to help him. I think he could go far in life, but he probably needs to assess his career path.
I hate doing this. I know it had to be done, and it's not fair to anyone to prolong the inevitable, but it's still a crappy feeling.
For those of you who have to make employment decisions, does it ever get any easier? Maybe I'm a soft guy, but I'll be upset all weekend over this, and even a glass of scotch won't do much to help.
I hate doing this. I know it had to be done, and it's not fair to anyone to prolong the inevitable, but it's still a crappy feeling.
For those of you who have to make employment decisions, does it ever get any easier? Maybe I'm a soft guy, but I'll be upset all weekend over this, and even a glass of scotch won't do much to help.
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 5:27 pm to LSUFanHouston
If it ever gets easy start worrying about yourself.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 5:34 pm to LSUFanHouston
Depends on who you have to let go. I had to let someone go in September. Great person but square peg in a round hole. I haven't looked back and had no remorse.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 5:39 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I think he could go far in life, but he probably needs to assess his career path.
Did you address this at all with him?
Posted on 10/20/16 at 5:43 pm to LSUFanHouston
It's never easy. I've fired low performers with potential, high performers due to business circumstances, and completely incompetent people who definitely stretched their skills in the interview
Posted on 10/20/16 at 5:51 pm to LSUFanHouston
In one sense, you did him a service.
Now he knows one job he is not well suited for.
If he finds a vocation that combines his talents with his passion, he will be much more successful than most people.
Now he knows one job he is not well suited for.
If he finds a vocation that combines his talents with his passion, he will be much more successful than most people.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 6:40 pm to makersmark1
Always choose your passion. It shows.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 6:42 pm to LSUFanHouston
It should never get easy unless they simply fire themselves (stealing from company, complete arse, costing the company money from their constant mistakes..). I work in HR and have to let someone go either tomorrow or Monday; this person is getting themselves up and I am still dreading the fact that I have to do this.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 6:50 pm to LSUFanHouston
Need someone to fill his spot?
Posted on 10/20/16 at 6:58 pm to LSUFanHouston
Some people do it to themselves, those are the easiest. Stealing on the job, coming in drunk, etc.
If it's someone who is a pleasant person and trying hard but he just isn't getting it, I'll tell him at the start of the next pay period that his next assignment is to use that time looking for his next gig. A 2 week severance, if you will.
If it's someone who is a pleasant person and trying hard but he just isn't getting it, I'll tell him at the start of the next pay period that his next assignment is to use that time looking for his next gig. A 2 week severance, if you will.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 7:26 pm to LSUFanHouston
I understand where you're coming from, but I have never found it hard to do. I have never fired anyone because of a company cutback so that would make it harder.
If someone is not working out then they have to go. You can coach them up a few times, but if you supply adequate training and they aren't working out then they have to go or other employees will either pick up the slack or slack off themselves.
If someone is not working out then they have to go. You can coach them up a few times, but if you supply adequate training and they aren't working out then they have to go or other employees will either pick up the slack or slack off themselves.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 7:36 pm to LSUFanHouston
If you have put that employee in position to succeed and told the person improving in blank areas are necessary for you to remain employed along with a structured improvement plan, you shouldn't think twice about letting the person go.
As a business owner, I ask myself this question when firing employees--have I done everything possible to help this person be successful here? If the answer is no, I better find out why I/we haven't and if the answer is yes, the person is gone and I don't lose sleep.
I recently had a recruiter ask me to review her as she was coming up on a year--I realized while reviewing her that she was absolutely terrible at her job and put on an improvement plan. She was so pissed, she quit, saving me money, time, and headache.
As a business owner, I ask myself this question when firing employees--have I done everything possible to help this person be successful here? If the answer is no, I better find out why I/we haven't and if the answer is yes, the person is gone and I don't lose sleep.
I recently had a recruiter ask me to review her as she was coming up on a year--I realized while reviewing her that she was absolutely terrible at her job and put on an improvement plan. She was so pissed, she quit, saving me money, time, and headache.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
It's never gotten much easier for me.
A wrong hire is an expensive lesson, and the lesson gets re-learned when you need to let them go.
A wrong hire is an expensive lesson, and the lesson gets re-learned when you need to let them go.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:09 pm to LSUFanHouston
I've been managing for 5 years, I've only had to fire someone once. Not that it was easy, but we gave the employee all the help in the world, including a month off for some personal issues. In the end , it was a decision we had to make.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 10:10 pm to LSUFanHouston
Early in my career, absolutely.
As the years went by and I became more confident in my judgment and competence and putting staff in a position to be successful, no, it didn't/doesn't. Is part of my job and my responsibility to other employees in the organization.
As the years went by and I became more confident in my judgment and competence and putting staff in a position to be successful, no, it didn't/doesn't. Is part of my job and my responsibility to other employees in the organization.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 10:27 pm to LSUFanHouston
It is much easier when you consider the alternatives.
How much is this person costing the business? how much is he holding back other families in the business?
I used to have trouble but I don't anymore.
The best way for it to get easier for you is to be confident you have done what you can to do to make sure the employee knows what is expected of him. After that it is not your fault.
I find most of the time if an employee comes to work and is reliable I can work them into a job--maybe not the position they came in but something.
As soon as their personal habits or problems create a problem for the business I let them go.
Sometimes I just say "this isn't working you need to find another job."
I can tell you this I will not discuss why I fired them or argue with them or console them once I have made the decision to fire them. That will almost always come back to haunt you. If I am willing to give them another chance I will discuss their problems and performance but if I am ready to fire them they generally know why and I keep it short and quick and make them leave the building.
I have on one or two occasions let people go simply because I didn't like them or they didn't like me. I remember telling one guy "you don't like how we run things and you don't like your job so you need to go".
How much is this person costing the business? how much is he holding back other families in the business?
I used to have trouble but I don't anymore.
The best way for it to get easier for you is to be confident you have done what you can to do to make sure the employee knows what is expected of him. After that it is not your fault.
I find most of the time if an employee comes to work and is reliable I can work them into a job--maybe not the position they came in but something.
As soon as their personal habits or problems create a problem for the business I let them go.
Sometimes I just say "this isn't working you need to find another job."
I can tell you this I will not discuss why I fired them or argue with them or console them once I have made the decision to fire them. That will almost always come back to haunt you. If I am willing to give them another chance I will discuss their problems and performance but if I am ready to fire them they generally know why and I keep it short and quick and make them leave the building.
I have on one or two occasions let people go simply because I didn't like them or they didn't like me. I remember telling one guy "you don't like how we run things and you don't like your job so you need to go".
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 10/20/16 at 11:21 pm to boosiebadazz
Thanks everyone for your responses.
The decision to hire this guy was not mine, but he was assigned to my team. The clients I work with can be rather complex and rather disorganized, and sometimes, in real trouble. The people I work with are whip smart, not so much in a 4.0 grades way, but in just knowing what to look for and how to find where the bones are buried.
I don't want to say the guy intentionally misrepresented his experience, but it was clear that the work he did in a prior place was far, far less complex than what we expected of him. Further, his compensation (again, not a decision I was part of) was really top of market for his level.
I spent a ton of time training him, teaching him, along with other people helping. He just couldn't swing it. His aptitude and his skills just weren't a match, and it was starting to hold the group back.
I'm confident the right decision was made, but goodness I just feel bad putting someone out on the street like that. I hope he can find something better suited for him and I gave him some suggestions of places he should look.
Thankfully, it's just him - he's single, no kids. We are paying him though the 31st... which considering he was with us less than a year, i think is fair.
The decision to hire this guy was not mine, but he was assigned to my team. The clients I work with can be rather complex and rather disorganized, and sometimes, in real trouble. The people I work with are whip smart, not so much in a 4.0 grades way, but in just knowing what to look for and how to find where the bones are buried.
I don't want to say the guy intentionally misrepresented his experience, but it was clear that the work he did in a prior place was far, far less complex than what we expected of him. Further, his compensation (again, not a decision I was part of) was really top of market for his level.
I spent a ton of time training him, teaching him, along with other people helping. He just couldn't swing it. His aptitude and his skills just weren't a match, and it was starting to hold the group back.
I'm confident the right decision was made, but goodness I just feel bad putting someone out on the street like that. I hope he can find something better suited for him and I gave him some suggestions of places he should look.
Thankfully, it's just him - he's single, no kids. We are paying him though the 31st... which considering he was with us less than a year, i think is fair.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 11:23 pm to jimbeam
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Need someone to fill his spot?
Eventually, but our workload ramps down in Nov/Dec so I'll probably wait at least a bit.
What you know about the taxation involved with multi-state partnerships, small business startups, hedge fund investors, and people who make 500K a year yet aren't real concerned with paying the taxes they owe?
Posted on 10/20/16 at 11:53 pm to LSUFanHouston
my dad hates firing people so he just gets the other senior partner to do it 
Posted on 10/21/16 at 4:51 am to LSUFanHouston
quote:I had a solid feeling that this was your line of work. Good luck finding someone new
and people who make 500K a year yet aren't real concerned with paying the taxes they owe?
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