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Posted on 7/20/16 at 9:19 pm to BobLeeDagger
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systemic racism
What???
Posted on 7/20/16 at 9:25 pm to slackster
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It has absolutely nothing to do with racism, so don't confuse my point, but a randomly selected white newborn is going to be in a better socioeconomic situation than a randomly selected black or Hispanic child. That isn't debatable.
Well thats not even what the stats state! More likely to be in a better situation yes, but not guaranteed. Its 100% debatable cause its wrong.
But more importantly, you cant apply stats of a population to individuals of a population. It doesnt work that way.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 9:33 pm to Hester Carries
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Well thats not even what the stats state! More likely to be in a better situation yes, but not guaranteed. Its 100% debatable cause its wrong.
I didn't mean to imply it was guaranteed, my apologies.
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But more importantly, you cant apply stats of a population to individuals of a population. It doesnt work that way.
What are you trying to say here? Seriously, explain it to me like I'm 5.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 9:40 pm to slackster
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What are you trying to say here? Seriously, explain it to me like I'm 5.
The wage gap example was the best one ive come up with. The stats state that, on average women make .77 on the dollar compared to men. But this means nothing. A woman does not make 77 cents to a mans dollar for the same job. You cant apply it to individual cases. Its just a snapshot of the population.
Black men are more likely to commit armed robbery. Additionally, it is more likely that someone who commits armed robbery will be black.
But this doesnt mean anything when talking about a specific black person. It doesnt influence decisions. It doesnt dictate outcomes. It has no real presence in reality. Its just a number on page about large sample sizes.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:16 pm to Hester Carries
How do these threads exist, when I assume most people are from Louisiana. Half the people i grew up with that still live in the rural areas are racist as frick. Damn near any old white dude over 55 has a 90% of being racist as shite.
I think the old folks just need to die off and generations need to pass, you just can't erase the way people were raised.
I think the old folks just need to die off and generations need to pass, you just can't erase the way people were raised.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:16 pm to Hester Carries
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The wage gap example was the best one ive come up with. The stats state that, on average women make .77 on the dollar compared to men. But this means nothing. A woman does not make 77 cents to a mans dollar for the same job. You cant apply it to individual cases. Its just a snapshot of the population.
Sure, there are a ton of factors to consider in that "wage gap" study. I agree.
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Black men are more likely to commit armed robbery. Additionally, it is more likely that someone who commits armed robbery will be black.
But this doesnt mean anything when talking about a specific black person. It doesnt influence decisions. It doesnt dictate outcomes. It has no real presence in reality. Its just a number on page about large sample sizes.
The older a person is, the harder it is to pinpoint factors that have affected their life, which is why I'm focusing on birth. 35% of black children are born into poverty. 31% of hispanics are as well. Only 11% of white children are born into poverty. That matters.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:53 pm to Sody Cracker
i don't know bra, bc i can pass for whitey. thus, i don't make up stupid comments about how things are for the bruthas. 
Posted on 7/21/16 at 12:37 am to slackster
It truly all comes down to two letters, I and Q, and any other answer is secondary
Posted on 7/21/16 at 12:53 am to lsu480
That pretty much like Jimmy the Greek's theory.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 1:24 am to tigerpimpbot
Expecting a group with an average IQ of 85 to compete in a nation where the average IQ is over 100, when you exclude the group with an IQ of 85, is the very definition of systemic racism if you think about it. Its truly sad that we put this pressure and expectations on certain groups.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 3:07 am to lsu480
Damn that's deep. It sort of makes sense that certain groups in the lower average IQ catagory are advocating unrest and chaos. It's their way of leveling the playing field.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 4:10 am to BobLeeDagger
White or black I just wish they would pull up their pants so I don't have to see their arse in public. It just makes me want to slap someone
Posted on 7/21/16 at 4:41 am to BobLeeDagger
If by systematic rcism you mean ingrained in the govt then affirmative action is the most obvious systematic racism there is.
It is not even a fricking issue any more, just accepted that you will have to carry a few lesser performers.
It is not even a fricking issue any more, just accepted that you will have to carry a few lesser performers.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 5:36 am to BobLeeDagger
We keep accepting that we have to lower standards for the blacks in the gehtto. Their single momma enables them to make bad decisions or bails them out of trouble instead of teaching the to take the punishment for their actions. It only hurts them in the end when they end up being 27 yrs old, no job, no basic high school education, a criminal record as long as a roll of brand new toilet paper, and burnt out on drugs. This is a hard hole to dig out of to try to live a normal life. Sad part is they have kids and these kids fall into the same trap. I seen kids go from children to young adults not prepared for life with my own eyes when I lived in Califronia and living onsite on the properties I owned in NBR.
This is not a white people problem this is a black community problem no one wants to talk about or fix. They would rather blame someone else which is what they were taught at a young age.
This is not a white people problem this is a black community problem no one wants to talk about or fix. They would rather blame someone else which is what they were taught at a young age.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:36 am to slackster
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the harder it is to pinpoint factors that have affected their life, which is why I'm focusing on birth. 35% of black children are born into poverty. 31% of hispanics are as well. Only 11% of white children are born into poverty. That matters.
Yeah, you're not getting my point at all lol. I'll just let it go I guess
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:42 am to BobLeeDagger
There is a difference between black people claiming racism and the BLM movement. The BLM movement are domestic terrorists.
I have no issue with saying in the past black people had discrimination issues. I don't think that exists in the normal flow of life today. Are there racist people on both sides, yes. Does that mean that in today's world a poor black person can't rise to success, not at all.
What it takes is effort, dedication, and a will to want a better life by working for what you gain. The destruction of the family unit is the largest single issue blacks are facing. It's now affecting many poorer white families as well.
The mindset with many is the issue. Have posted this before, I grew up as poor as anyone I know in the US, but had loving parents who taught me the way to get ahead was hard work. That's really all it takes.
I have no issue with saying in the past black people had discrimination issues. I don't think that exists in the normal flow of life today. Are there racist people on both sides, yes. Does that mean that in today's world a poor black person can't rise to success, not at all.
What it takes is effort, dedication, and a will to want a better life by working for what you gain. The destruction of the family unit is the largest single issue blacks are facing. It's now affecting many poorer white families as well.
The mindset with many is the issue. Have posted this before, I grew up as poor as anyone I know in the US, but had loving parents who taught me the way to get ahead was hard work. That's really all it takes.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:55 am to colorchangintiger
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Personally, we have black guys come in to our office every now and again looking for a job. 95% of the time they look like shite, are dressed like shite, and their bass shakes the door when they drive up. They come in, never introduce themselves, never shake hands, and ask "y'all hirin'?"
The perfect example of what African Americans are talking about....this guy judges a boom by its cover 100%. It is a common occurrence for African Americans. I've seen it personally from a boss who said he can look at someone and tell what he or she can do.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 8:14 am to Hester Carries
Yeah we're missing each other. If your point is that the averages don't matter because some. Will be in better situations and some will be in worse situations, the very definition of the average, then I get it. However, that doesn't matter when you look at a number like the one third born into poverty. That isn't an average or some derived statistic, that is 35 out of every 100 ask children living below the poverty line. When only 11 out of 100 white children are below the poverty line, it is an advantage. It isn't racist, and it isn't the fault of the child either way, so there is no need to apologize for it, but it's an advantage. That is my last attempt to try and make sense. If it fails, we're hopeless.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 8:48 am to slackster
I posed nearly this same question to the poliboard several months back.
I don't think it is necessarily racism that disenfranchises blacks. It's their upbringing. Imagine getting in trouble at school, being suspended, and considering that a vacation because your parents don't care enough to ground you, or simply aren't there. Imagine never being pushed in school, or having high values set for you at a young age. You (or they) try and "get out" and everyone in the neighborhood considers them outcasts/Uncle Tom/ "that guy", and they just get sucked back in.
You can argue that racism leads to these circumstances, but, in my opinion, it's an argument that is hard to make and will never be believed by the majority. I'm certainly not saying these circumstances are impossible to "get out of", but you can't honestly say to yourself that it would be easy. The cuture (or culcha, as it is known here) plays a huge role in all of this. In some ways I think it compares to the "daddy issues" stereotype. We joke about them, but they are a serious thing. Girls have no role-model to look for in a mate, and choose trash. In the same respect, young black students have no one to emulate, so the emulate their surroundings, which are normally terrible.
In full disclosure, I grew up in a racist home, with the exception of my mother. My father grew up that way, my grandfather boycotted bussing into his local highschool, it runs deep in my family. I grew up this way, like many people in Louisiana. I still see it come out at times, and I honestly do not know if that will ever change, but I'm trying. It's hard to see shitty individuals with darker skin, and not fall back on what I know. I do try and sympathize that they had a different upbringing than I, but I don't think that is an excuse. Maybe that's part of the problem?
There are white people in the same cycle. Look at small towns in N LA like Lake Providence, Tallulah, or Deville in CenLA. The white folks that grow up there are just as trashy and juvenile as the black guys that grow up in the 'hood. I don't think any of us fail to admit that, we just don't see it as often as they mostly stay in that secluded area.
I'm not trying to make a case for anyone here, it's just my thoughts. We all can try and be better people, but that doesn't mean we have to bow down to anything or anyone. I'm far from perfect, everyone is, but BLM, or it's supporters honestly go about things in such a terrible manner it does nothing but harm their image even more. They want to compare themselves to MLK, but promote violence. It doesn't work that way. If you want to change for the better, change what we view, change your image. Maybe it is some of them's low intelligence level that contributes to this, they simply can't understand, but neither can I/we understand why they do what they do.
I don't think it is necessarily racism that disenfranchises blacks. It's their upbringing. Imagine getting in trouble at school, being suspended, and considering that a vacation because your parents don't care enough to ground you, or simply aren't there. Imagine never being pushed in school, or having high values set for you at a young age. You (or they) try and "get out" and everyone in the neighborhood considers them outcasts/Uncle Tom/ "that guy", and they just get sucked back in.
You can argue that racism leads to these circumstances, but, in my opinion, it's an argument that is hard to make and will never be believed by the majority. I'm certainly not saying these circumstances are impossible to "get out of", but you can't honestly say to yourself that it would be easy. The cuture (or culcha, as it is known here) plays a huge role in all of this. In some ways I think it compares to the "daddy issues" stereotype. We joke about them, but they are a serious thing. Girls have no role-model to look for in a mate, and choose trash. In the same respect, young black students have no one to emulate, so the emulate their surroundings, which are normally terrible.
In full disclosure, I grew up in a racist home, with the exception of my mother. My father grew up that way, my grandfather boycotted bussing into his local highschool, it runs deep in my family. I grew up this way, like many people in Louisiana. I still see it come out at times, and I honestly do not know if that will ever change, but I'm trying. It's hard to see shitty individuals with darker skin, and not fall back on what I know. I do try and sympathize that they had a different upbringing than I, but I don't think that is an excuse. Maybe that's part of the problem?
There are white people in the same cycle. Look at small towns in N LA like Lake Providence, Tallulah, or Deville in CenLA. The white folks that grow up there are just as trashy and juvenile as the black guys that grow up in the 'hood. I don't think any of us fail to admit that, we just don't see it as often as they mostly stay in that secluded area.
I'm not trying to make a case for anyone here, it's just my thoughts. We all can try and be better people, but that doesn't mean we have to bow down to anything or anyone. I'm far from perfect, everyone is, but BLM, or it's supporters honestly go about things in such a terrible manner it does nothing but harm their image even more. They want to compare themselves to MLK, but promote violence. It doesn't work that way. If you want to change for the better, change what we view, change your image. Maybe it is some of them's low intelligence level that contributes to this, they simply can't understand, but neither can I/we understand why they do what they do.
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