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re: Thoughts about systemic racism
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:14 pm to blueboy
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:14 pm to blueboy
Also, if the "system" is stacked in favor of whites, we aren't doing a very good job of maintaining it.
Bear in mind, "Asians" refers generally to orientals, but also Indians as well as Arabs, all of whom have higher averages than whites.
The "hispanic" number includes day laborers and other unskilled laborers, and they're still ahead of blacks.
Bear in mind, "Asians" refers generally to orientals, but also Indians as well as Arabs, all of whom have higher averages than whites.
The "hispanic" number includes day laborers and other unskilled laborers, and they're still ahead of blacks.
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Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:14 pm to baobabtiger
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The only bone I'll give blacks is on drugs. So many of them get behind because of tic tack criminal offenses for weed.
Unless they're getting picked up when they're 2 that's not when it starts. Black America has one big arse "daddy issue" so to speak.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:17 pm to blueboy
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The "hispanic" number includes day laborers and other unskilled laborers, and they're still ahead of blacks.
Which is why Republicans shouldn't want to get rid of illegals. They are the trump card (pun intended) every time a black person says they started at such a disadvantage they cant make it up. Jorge walked across a river with his shoes on his head, cant speak our language, cant "officially" have a career, and STILL passed your arse up.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:21 pm to BobLeeDagger
I am a poor white with a small member. I would trade being a poor black with a large member in a second.
How can I be a racist when I as a poor white am a lesser human than a poor black.
How can I be a racist when I as a poor white am a lesser human than a poor black.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:22 pm to Hester Carries
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Just because if you are rich you are more likely to be white, doesnt mean that being white makes you more likely to be rich. It doesnt work that way. Causation/correlation and what not.
Yeah, but I'm not arguing causation. Black and Hispanic children are much more likely to be born into poverty than white children. Poverty puts you at a significant disadvantage in this country. Regardless of causation, on average, it is better to be born white than Hispanic or black. Do you disagree?
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:24 pm to slackster
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egardless of causation, on average, it is better to be born white than Hispanic or black. Do you disagree?
Yes and no.
No one, in the history of human history has ever been "born on average".
Like black families have an average of like 1.12 parents in the household. There isnt a twelfth of a person walking around. Because you cant apply averages to individuals.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:30 pm to LakeViewLSU
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So every time you hear someone say that we need an open dialog on race issues, they are the ones that are perpetuating racism.
So promoting a critical thinking exercise of the topic of race, is promoting racism?
Let's just stop talking about it and it'll go away.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:31 pm to Hester Carries
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The BLM thing isnt about cops vs blacks. Its about whites vs blacks. Black people think the police are just an arm of the white man. IF you are black and a cop, you are white.
Therefore animosity against cops and "the system" is animosity against white people.
Well said.
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very curious if certain people are willing to begin applying the logical thought process they created to all events, both past/present/future.
Doubtful.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:32 pm to Goldrush25
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So promoting a critical thinking exercise of the topic of race, is promoting racism?
Only because thats never what is actually being aimed for.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:36 pm to Hester Carries
Weed arrests are for filling the prisons and making those owners a lot of cash. Who then funnels it to the politicians, who then push ffor tougher crimes on weed and drug offenses.
They need tyrone, Billybob, and Juan to fill their cells. They need that tax payers money.
I see gun felons back on the street before guys who were caught dealing weed/drugs, with no weapons.
Jail System for drug offenses is a super scam. And i'm one who's never done drugs, but the more you see, and how it works, it's a fucing scam to line these peoples pockets with our tax dollars.
They need tyrone, Billybob, and Juan to fill their cells. They need that tax payers money.
I see gun felons back on the street before guys who were caught dealing weed/drugs, with no weapons.
Jail System for drug offenses is a super scam. And i'm one who's never done drugs, but the more you see, and how it works, it's a fucing scam to line these peoples pockets with our tax dollars.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:37 pm to BobLeeDagger
Do blackface and go to Bella Noche, then report back about the struggle
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:46 pm to Hester Carries
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Only because thats never what is actually being aimed for.
Have you been privy to every conversation ever on race? Never's a pretty strong word.
If one cares to engage in intelligent discourse on the subject of race relations, it's not difficult to find other people that can divorce emotion from the subject matter and simply discuss the issues. I wouldn't start with the OT lounge though.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:48 pm to slackster
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but you can't just disregard the fact that, on average, it is better to be white than black or Hispanic.
The opportunity to succeed is available for all. What's available to whites is available to blacks, hispanics, etc...
My statistics comment was moreso geared towards it's use in debates with people who believe the system is designed to screw minorities over.
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Black children are 3 times more likely to be born into poverty than white children. On average, a black or Hispanic child is born into a worse situation than a white child. That isn't really debatable, but it also isn't easily fixable. It also isn't necessarily the fault of white people.
I agree. However, that argument isn't valid when speaking to people who, again, truly believe the system is designed to screw minorities over. They don't want to hear it.
Not everyone is born at an equal starting point. That's not the fault of anyone. However, I fail to see how people should feel bad just because they were born into a better situation than someone else.
The "system" (aka taxpayers) do more than their fair share to level out the difference for those born into bad situations. Free food, free clothing, free housing, free public education, etc...
Even with those benefits though, minorities and the poor seemingly carry on with that cycle of poverty.
We are literally providing water to the proverbial horse. Can't make them do what they don't want to do.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:51 pm to Goldrush25
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Have you been privy to every conversation ever on race? Never's a pretty strong word.
No i havent. You are right.
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If one cares to engage in intelligent discourse on the subject of race relations, it's not difficult to find other people that can divorce emotion from the subject matter and simply discuss the issues.
Maybe there are people out there who can divorce emotion from that subject matter or any subject matter. But to say its not difficult to find them is wrong.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:51 pm to colorchangintiger
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Personally, we have black guys come in to our office every now and again looking for a job. 95% of the time they look like shite, are dressed like shite, and their bass shakes the door when they drive up. They come in, never introduce themselves, never shake hands, and ask "y'all hirin'?"
Even if we were hiring, what do you think our answer is going to be? We don't need warm bodies. We need smart, proactive people that make everyone else's job easier. Not someone that just needs to collect a pay check.
While in small numbers, could you take 5-10 minutes to sit down with them and explain that while you aren't hiring, here are a few things you could do to better your job search efforts?
I'm sure most won't listen, or care, but maybe it will sink in with some people.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 3:53 pm to Golfer
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While in small numbers, could you take 5-10 minutes to sit down with them and explain that while you aren't hiring, here are a few things you could do to better your job search efforts?
No, I can't. I'm not in the life coach business.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 4:01 pm to dcrews
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Not everyone is born at an equal starting point. That's not the fault of anyone. However, I fail to see how people should feel bad just because they were born into a better situation than someone else
Nah you shouldn't feel bad - I don't - but acknowledging it helps move the conversation along, if ever so slightly. If there is an answer, and I'm not sure there is, we've got to cut through the bullshite to get to it. As a white male, I'm not going to sit here and argue against white privilege like others will do. Yes, it does exist. Next question. That is my attitude.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 4:10 pm to slackster
Minorities seems to always "want to have a discussion". Which I deem to be bullshite.
What minorities really want, is for whites to come out and say they don't like minorities. After that I'm not entirely sure what they want people to do. There are no laws disallowing minorities to do anything that whites can do, have access to, etc... So I'm not sure what can actually be done, other than minorities owning up to their culture's shortcomings.
We can show minorities all the statistics we want. They have to want to change. They have to want to break the cycle.
I just don't understand how, with all the free benefits we offer the poor as a nation, people still can't find a way out. To me, it has to be a matter of wanting to do it, vs not wanting to do it.
What minorities really want, is for whites to come out and say they don't like minorities. After that I'm not entirely sure what they want people to do. There are no laws disallowing minorities to do anything that whites can do, have access to, etc... So I'm not sure what can actually be done, other than minorities owning up to their culture's shortcomings.
We can show minorities all the statistics we want. They have to want to change. They have to want to break the cycle.
I just don't understand how, with all the free benefits we offer the poor as a nation, people still can't find a way out. To me, it has to be a matter of wanting to do it, vs not wanting to do it.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 4:17 pm to BCMCubs
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Blacks need to stop blaming other people for their own problems
Even if you offer up help and jobs to a black man, you are still a racist. You are still a slave driver.
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