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re: 2016 Clayton Kershaw: 145 Ks, 9 BBs
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:34 am to The Seaward
Posted on 5/13/16 at 12:34 am to The Seaward
Agreed.
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:19 am to The Seaward
quote:Does that level give up more runs than Arrieta? Because that's what's happening.
but it still seems like Kershaw is on another level.
Before this turns into another Kershaw/Arrieta pissing match, I'm not taking anything away from Kershaw. But "on another level"? No. Specifically when there's another pitcher who's outperformed him the past year. The Kershaw fanboy counter to that is Kershaw has been better longer. Great. If this were 2013, people would care. But Arrieta is no longer with Baltimore's shite-tier coaching staff so let's not pretend there's no rhyme or reason to Arrieta's ascension. They're both great pitchers. Easily the top 2 in the game. But Kershaw has given up double the runs (12) that Arrieta has this season (6). That's not even factoring in the fact that Arrieta outperformed Kershaw by a large margin from the all-star break last year through the playoffs.
TL;DR, Is Kershaw elite? Absolutely. "On another level"? No.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 1:27 am
Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:28 am to Drewbie
quote:i think he means that there is still a reason why most people think kershaw is still the best pitcher in the world even when there are currently a bunch of great pitchers
TL;DR, Is Kershaw elite? Absolutely. "On another level"? No.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 2:28 am
Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:33 am to Coach34
quote:
Jake Arrieta is 20-1 with a 0.85 ERA and two no hitters since June 2015. Arguably the greatest run in MLB history
If he had done that in a calendar year he would be one of the most famous people on the planet
Posted on 5/13/16 at 7:52 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:
I never thought I'd see more pitching dominance in this era than Pedro from 1997 to 2003 or so, but Kershaw from 2011 until now is doing just that. His 2014 season isn't believable on paper, it simply looks fake.
Pedro's combined '99-00 seasons- (60 games started)ERA- 1.90
ERA+- 265
W-L- 41-10
WHIP- 0.830
K/9- 12.5
K/BB- 8.65
K- 298 (avg)
BB- 34 (avg)
Kershaw '14 season- (27 games)
ERA- 1.77
ERA+- 197
W-L- 21-3
WHIP- 0.857
K/9- 10.8
K/BB- 7.71
K- 239
BB- 31
Pretty damn close, but he's not quite Pedro level (on a pure dominance scale). No one is. Then you have to also factor in that Pedro pitched right through the heart of the steroid era. Kershaw is great, but not quite GOAT like Pedro at his peak.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 8:22 am to dnm3305
Peak Pedro from 99-01 was unbelievable considering the era. I have a hard time believing any pitcher will top that in my lifetime. What Kershaw and Arrieta are doing is incredible but Pedro truly was on another level during that time
Posted on 5/13/16 at 8:29 am to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:
2016 K/BB leaders:
1. Kershaw 21.33
That's video game numbers.
The single season record is 11.63
Posted on 5/13/16 at 8:55 am to The Seaward
Somehow, the Braves touched this guy up for 10 hits. They have accounted for 24 percent of the hits Kershaw has allowed this year.
Baseball.
Baseball.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 9:06 am to The Seaward
Yeah, I meant to mention K-BB%, not K/BB as the best in-season indicator. Probably not thinking clearly that late last night. At least the point about Kershaw being an outlier is still made.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 9:19 am to WestCoastAg
quote:
Except not really
I've lost like $4 grand over the past few years betting on this fricking choker in the playoffs. How dare you defend his shitty Peyton Manning-esque performance in October.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 9:19 am
Posted on 5/13/16 at 11:12 am to Vicks Kennel Club
2016 Weight
1. Kershaw 220 lbs
2. Colon 285 lbs
1. Kershaw 220 lbs
2. Colon 285 lbs
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:05 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:actually really isnt that far off. here is what pedro did from 1998-2003:
Peak Pedro from 99-01 was unbelievable considering the era. I have a hard time believing any pitcher will top that in my lifetime. What Kershaw and Arrieta are doing is incredible but Pedro truly was on another level during that time
2.26 era
2.24 fip
.942 whip
11.2 k/9
5.87 k/bb
here is kershaw from 2011 to now
2.09 era
2.28 fip
.922 whip
10.9 k/9
5.39 k/bb
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:05 pm to SirWinston
quote:then youve bet on the two shitty games he has had over 3 years. thats some shitty luck
I've lost like $4 grand over the past few years betting on this fricking choker in the playoffs. How dare you defend his shitty Peyton Manning-esque performance in October.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:30 pm to WestCoastAg
After last night, he has one more start than most starters in the league, but so far this year, he is on another level. Thor, Arrieta, Sale, etc.. arent even close.
He's averaging 7.75 innings a start, easily 1st in baseball.
Here are other stats he leads in with second place in parenthesis
3.0 WAR(1.8)
19.25 K/BB(9.00)
0.58 BB/9(0.83)
1.48 FIP(2.13)
1.89 xFIP(2.38)
1.96 SIERA(2.49)
He's crushing the competition. He's also 2nd in baseball in K%, and 5th in K/9.
If you want to sit behind Arrieta's 1.13 ERA and think he is even close, then be my guest, but come back when things even out, because he isnt going to sustain a .203 BABIP, and a 89.3% LOB.
He's averaging 7.75 innings a start, easily 1st in baseball.
Here are other stats he leads in with second place in parenthesis
3.0 WAR(1.8)
19.25 K/BB(9.00)
0.58 BB/9(0.83)
1.48 FIP(2.13)
1.89 xFIP(2.38)
1.96 SIERA(2.49)
He's crushing the competition. He's also 2nd in baseball in K%, and 5th in K/9.
If you want to sit behind Arrieta's 1.13 ERA and think he is even close, then be my guest, but come back when things even out, because he isnt going to sustain a .203 BABIP, and a 89.3% LOB.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:32 pm to devils1854
quote:
If you want to sit behind Arrieta's 1.13 ERA and think he is even close, then be my guest, but come back when things even out, because he isnt going to sustain a .203 BABIP.
That's true, but we still have a lot to learn about how much a pitcher can influence weak contact.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:29 pm to devils1854
quote:You're right. He just got lucky for 26 straight starts. Strikeouts are flashy, but they don't always win games. Not giving up runs does, which Arrieta has been better at for the past year.
If you want to sit behind Arrieta's 1.13 ERA and think he is even close, then be my guest, but come back when things even out, because he isnt going to sustain a .203 BABIP, and a 89.3% LOB.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:57 pm to Drewbie
quote:
You're right. He just got lucky for 26 straight starts. Strikeouts are flashy, but they don't always win games. Not giving up runs does, which Arrieta has been better at for the past year.
Jake Arrieta is great, but I reject the notion that just because he has had a lower ERA for the past year, he is the better pitcher. There is a lot of noise in a one year sample of ERA. Defense and luck can play a pretty big role.
For example, Marco Estrada had a lower ERA than Chris Sale last year. Marco Estrada is a good pitcher, but he isn't even close to Chris Sale.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 4:01 pm to The Seaward
Posted on 5/13/16 at 4:03 pm to WestCoastAg
Yeah, I saw that earlier. Pretty cool piece.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 4:06 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
That's the crazy thing. Kershaw just turned 28. He still will probably be dominant for another 5 years
He's also 17th in active IP with 1,673. He's on a King Felix type pace. Decline in velo and Ks are imminent. Felix is still effective and I'm sure Kershaw will be too, but his age is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things
Porcello is the closest guy to Kershaw who is still in his 20s, and he's at 1,291 IP
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