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Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:58 am to cincyykid
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I agree with you but his dad is one of those guys the OT makes fun of, really wants his kid to be the best on his usssa baseball team
Explain to him that change in speed is better, teach him a cutter after his change is good. using the 4 seam, 2 seam, change and cutter are all thats needed.. If hes insistent on ball movement then look to a knuckle change but not a knuckle ball.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:58 am to cincyykid
Changing speeds is better than being able to throw a curve IMO. Better for his arm and can use the same throwing motion every pitch. No curves til 14-15
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:58 am to cincyykid
If he already can't throw a breaking ball he won't go to the majors.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:58 am to CaptainsWafer
Good answer, Captain Wafer.
It is hard though because it gets competitive with the kids. Even if you are in rec, there are travel kids that play there too and try and go alpha in the dugout and call out the weaklings.
Sad. Its such a pure game.
I wont let my 12 throw a curve continuously, but he does on occasion. Coach doesn't like it, so he doesn't pitch often. Who cares? He doesn't.
It is hard though because it gets competitive with the kids. Even if you are in rec, there are travel kids that play there too and try and go alpha in the dugout and call out the weaklings.
Sad. Its such a pure game.
I wont let my 12 throw a curve continuously, but he does on occasion. Coach doesn't like it, so he doesn't pitch often. Who cares? He doesn't.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:59 am to rantfan
The way I was taught to throw a slider though is just like a curve just different grip so if you know how to throw a slider without stress on the elbow I'll do that. That should appease his old man. That would probably make him even happier since then he could tell all the other parents his kid can throw a slider while there kids can't lol
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:59 am to cincyykid
Teach him how to throw the nasty
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:59 am to cincyykid
If he locates a fastball and has decent change of speed on the change then there shouldn't be a reason to at this point. If you have potential you'll strike 11 year olds out with those two pitches alone.
If he were to throw a curve obviously it wouldn't be good for his developing arm and he probably wouldn't throw it well anyway. Also, check his paws, if they aren't big enough change positions now. No reason to chase a pitching career
If he were to throw a curve obviously it wouldn't be good for his developing arm and he probably wouldn't throw it well anyway. Also, check his paws, if they aren't big enough change positions now. No reason to chase a pitching career
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:00 am to Topwater Trout
True statement. Offspeed gets the young ones.
Around 14-15, it wont work as effectively.
Around 14-15, it wont work as effectively.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:01 am to rantfan
Teach him mound footing to place his FB away, proper chngup mech, and he will be fine.
And tell him no breaking balls till his are hairy.
And tell him no breaking balls till his are hairy.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:03 am to Topwater Trout
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Changing speeds is better than being able to throw a curve IMO.
it is, expect 99% of 10yr olds cannot throw a proper changeup
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:05 am to cincyykid
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The way I was taught to throw a slider though is just like a curve just different grip so if you know how to throw a slider without stress on the elbow I'll do that. That should appease his old man. That would probably make him even happier since then he could tell all the other parents his kid can throw a slider while there kids can't lol
This kid will have to be incredibly disciplined to not try to twist his elbow. Just show him a cut fastball and move on. You're doing that kid an incredible disservice by trying this shite at such a young age and that's exactly how you should tell his douchebag father.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:06 am to Cdonaldson27
problem i saw most often with kids that age was the inability to plant properly and explode off the mound.
I know it's all in the mechanics but that forward momentum is very beneficial in allowing the proper upper body mechanics to function. Without that explosive stride off the mound the kid will inevitably overthink his move and mess up the pitch and his arm. Start out with training the kid explosiveness off the mound with a good stretch and leg follow through.
Look at the position of the back leg in the last picture. This only happens with an explosive mound stretch.
I know it's all in the mechanics but that forward momentum is very beneficial in allowing the proper upper body mechanics to function. Without that explosive stride off the mound the kid will inevitably overthink his move and mess up the pitch and his arm. Start out with training the kid explosiveness off the mound with a good stretch and leg follow through.
Look at the position of the back leg in the last picture. This only happens with an explosive mound stretch.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:08 am to meauxjeaux2
Yeah before we ever throw the ball every practice we go through each step of the windup. I used a 5 step process that I was taught and I tell him to work on the mechanics at his house without even throwing.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:12 am to cincyykid
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Guy is paying me 20 bucks an hour
Good lawd. You are getting ripped.
Dr. Andrews talks about overuse is the number one indicator of elbow injuries. All pitches count. Not just the ones in games. Bullpen, warms up, game, practice, they all count.
Dr. Andrews isn't sold on curves being bad or good just yet. He is more concerned with the number of pitches and 2-3 months a year off from throwing. He does feel that curves are bad if they are thrown too much and incorrectly.
I would never allow a 10 year old to throw curve balls. They don't have the ability to do it right over and over and their muscles are too weak. Too much risk.
Wait until they get into puberty.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:12 am to cincyykid
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Is he too young for me to teach him how to throw a breaking ball?
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The kid is 10
Absolutely too young. Go read some of the articles written by Dr James Andrews. There's a reason you're seeing a shitload of college players and players in their first 5 years in the majors having Tommy John surgery. Too much, too young.
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:12 am to cincyykid
a good start for a kid that age is the crate trick. Have him rest his forward leg on a milk crate then begin his windup.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:14 am to cincyykid
Work in location first.
Time between pitches second.
Slide step vs. leg lift 3rd
Then mix in a change up. You don't need to throw a curve at 10-11 if you have good location and mix the speed up. The best pitchers our kid face are good at those things.
Last weekend we played a 12U team, kid threw 98 pitches against us and I garuntee 70% were curves. His arm is going to be toast by 18. We still won the game.
Time between pitches second.
Slide step vs. leg lift 3rd
Then mix in a change up. You don't need to throw a curve at 10-11 if you have good location and mix the speed up. The best pitchers our kid face are good at those things.
Last weekend we played a 12U team, kid threw 98 pitches against us and I garuntee 70% were curves. His arm is going to be toast by 18. We still won the game.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:14 am to roadGator
I can't tell if you're joking. Am I really getting ripped? 20 bucks an hour for a 19 year old to teach some kid to throw a baseball sounded pretty good to me
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:16 am to cincyykid
quote:going rate around here for an old washed up pitching coach is 50-60 an hour.
I can't tell if you're joking. Am I really getting ripped? 20 bucks an hour for a 19 year old to teach some kid to throw a baseball sounded pretty good to me
I'd rather my kid learn from a fella straight out of highschool ball tbh.
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