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Who here believes in cryogenics and will be frozen after death?

Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:39 pm
Posted by PatDyesPants
Loachapoka, AL
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:39 pm
Will technology ever make it happen?
Posted by Lake Vegas Tiger
Lake Vegas
Member since Jun 2014
3283 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:40 pm to
no
Posted by O
Mandeville
Member since Oct 2011
6739 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:41 pm to
No.
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
11874 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:42 pm to
Your biology makes it impossible. Water expands when it freezes, and about 60 percent of your body is water. Now put 2 and 2 together
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
11150 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:43 pm to
Technology will make brain implantation possible in the future IMO. As far as freezing the whole body? No, that doesn't seem feasible or economical.
Posted by Hickok
Htown
Member since Jan 2013
2962 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:45 pm to
quote:

Will technology ever make it happen?

Maybe. Will I sign up for it, hell no, I'm already getting tired of the douches now
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36269 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:59 pm to
I do.
Posted by CharlieDay
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2016
422 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:08 pm to
Anyone believing this should go ahead and freeze themselves so that they can rid the world of their stupidity.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:19 pm to
I remeber watching a video on the internet pre-youtube about this and they pretty much explained how teleportation was much more likely that cryogenics due to expanding cells. Yet tearing down cells and cloning them would be feasible in some sense. The odd thing was they explained in Star Trek each time you were telported you were basically killed and cloned, as who you were was ripped apart to tiny molecules and sent via subspace transmission and then reassembled at the destination using the molecules. Which is by our ideals impossible, but not more impossible than the idea of freezing cells and then reanimating them.

Though oddly there is the frozen fish. LINK






While it's cold blooded, it's cells were frozen and it did come back to life. Odd.


Posted by HammerheadLincoln
The farther west the farther out
Member since May 2015
5705 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:21 pm to
It's a concept that's always been interesting to me.

Might be possible one day in the distant future
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
82038 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:23 pm to
Cell structures don't rupture if frozen with cryogenics, unlike conventional freezing, due to the amount of time it takes in cryogenics (super fast). The fast freeze doesn't give the cells enough time for ice crystals for form within the cell.

It could be possible, but we are decades away from the technology being available to bring someone back to life
Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
7418 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:23 pm to
Ask Ted Williams about it when he wakes up.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41694 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:32 pm to
Wouldn't you have to be frozen before you die...so you can be brought back to 'life'? Unfreezing a dead body would be anticlimactic.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6533 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:37 pm to
To the OP, I think if you freeze the body after you die... well you're dead not much of a point...

But if you're still alive, we may have just not figured out a mechanism to make this work. If we discovered a similar mechanism to arctic frogs it may be possible. These frogs with natural biochemistry are able to withstand subzero temperature. Breathing and heart activity actually stops for

LINK

I actually learned about these frogs in my biochem class.
The gist is to hyper concentrate cellular glucose which draws H20 into cells. Damage from frostbite occurs due to frozen water in the blood causing an osmotic gradient which draws more water from the cells into the bloodstream which maintains the gradient eventually causing cell death via dehydration. So the problem isn't water expands when it freezes, its the balance of water in extra/intra cellular concentrations. A balance between a temperature low enough to slow metabolic activity and some type of chemical gradient in the cells of vital tissues with strong enough colligative properties to depress freezing point (Raoult's law) maybe an answer.






Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
7418 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:43 pm to
quote:

The gist is to hyper concentrate cellular glucose which draws H20 into cells. Damage from frostbite occurs due to frozen water in the blood causing an osmotic gradient which draws more water from the cells into the bloodstream which maintains the gradient eventually causing cell death via dehydration. So the problem isn't water expands when it freezes, its the balance of water in extra/intra cellular concentrations. A balance between a temperature low enough to slow metabolic activity and some type of chemical gradient in the cells of vital tissues with strong enough colligative properties to depress freezing point (Raoult's law) maybe an answer.


The most honest answer ever given on the OT.
Posted by ALWho
Earth
Member since Oct 2014
612 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:29 am to
The cryogenic facilities just keep the human head, more cost efficient especially since the victim, uh customer most likely has an account to tap for the long term. Many years later when a cure is found for the head there should be enough funds to connect it to a monkey's body or whatever body option "David Ames" account can afford. I don't doubt that eventually the medical science will make some astonishing leaps, but it will never be good enough to completely cheat death.
Posted by Beaver Bandit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2015
906 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:42 am to
No. I think within 100 years humans may be able to transfer consciousness into a robot but the brain will have to be apart of a live/active person. LINK
This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 1:46 am
Posted by BOSCEAUX
Where the Down Boys go.
Member since Mar 2008
51255 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:51 am to
I just want them to be able to upload my consciousness into a human like android with a 10 inch dick. Like that Bruce Willis movie.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104196 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 2:16 am to
Uploading to matrix > cryogenics
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6533 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:18 am to
Your link describes something more like transferring a copy of a more or less equivalent consciousness at the time of transfer into a computer which would replicate neural stimuli in another live human, but it does nothing to maintain your personal life/existence. Also it doesn't really address that the other persons neurons are wired differently than yours, so it will not be the same. Structure and function are extraordinarily related in neurons.

I think the OP is getting at freezing yourself until the tech is available to live forever/be brought back to life, not insert a copy of your consciousness into something else. I think it would be easier to freeze yourself alive (like the arctic frogs) until people figure out how to prevent degradation of telomeres during DNA replication. Similar to cancer's "immortal" cell lines, but in a more controlled non-cancerous fashion.

Manipulate cellular machinery/genes to have "immortal" cells/tissues/organs/systems rather than just inducing stimulation of excitatory or inhibitory neural circuity in a separate entity.
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