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Who here believes in cryogenics and will be frozen after death?
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:39 pm
Will technology ever make it happen?
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:42 pm to PatDyesPants
Your biology makes it impossible. Water expands when it freezes, and about 60 percent of your body is water. Now put 2 and 2 together
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:43 pm to PatDyesPants
Technology will make brain implantation possible in the future IMO. As far as freezing the whole body? No, that doesn't seem feasible or economical.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:45 pm to PatDyesPants
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Will technology ever make it happen?
Maybe. Will I sign up for it, hell no, I'm already getting tired of the douches now
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:08 pm to PatDyesPants
Anyone believing this should go ahead and freeze themselves so that they can rid the world of their stupidity.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:19 pm to PatDyesPants
I remeber watching a video on the internet pre-youtube about this and they pretty much explained how teleportation was much more likely that cryogenics due to expanding cells. Yet tearing down cells and cloning them would be feasible in some sense. The odd thing was they explained in Star Trek each time you were telported you were basically killed and cloned, as who you were was ripped apart to tiny molecules and sent via subspace transmission and then reassembled at the destination using the molecules. Which is by our ideals impossible, but not more impossible than the idea of freezing cells and then reanimating them.
Though oddly there is the frozen fish. LINK
While it's cold blooded, it's cells were frozen and it did come back to life. Odd.
Though oddly there is the frozen fish. LINK
While it's cold blooded, it's cells were frozen and it did come back to life. Odd.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:21 pm to PatDyesPants
It's a concept that's always been interesting to me.
Might be possible one day in the distant future
Might be possible one day in the distant future
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:23 pm to Napoleon
Cell structures don't rupture if frozen with cryogenics, unlike conventional freezing, due to the amount of time it takes in cryogenics (super fast). The fast freeze doesn't give the cells enough time for ice crystals for form within the cell.
It could be possible, but we are decades away from the technology being available to bring someone back to life
It could be possible, but we are decades away from the technology being available to bring someone back to life
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:23 pm to PatDyesPants
Ask Ted Williams about it when he wakes up.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:32 pm to PatDyesPants
Wouldn't you have to be frozen before you die...so you can be brought back to 'life'? Unfreezing a dead body would be anticlimactic.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:37 pm to Pintail
To the OP, I think if you freeze the body after you die... well you're dead not much of a point...
But if you're still alive, we may have just not figured out a mechanism to make this work. If we discovered a similar mechanism to arctic frogs it may be possible. These frogs with natural biochemistry are able to withstand subzero temperature. Breathing and heart activity actually stops for
LINK
I actually learned about these frogs in my biochem class.
The gist is to hyper concentrate cellular glucose which draws H20 into cells. Damage from frostbite occurs due to frozen water in the blood causing an osmotic gradient which draws more water from the cells into the bloodstream which maintains the gradient eventually causing cell death via dehydration. So the problem isn't water expands when it freezes, its the balance of water in extra/intra cellular concentrations. A balance between a temperature low enough to slow metabolic activity and some type of chemical gradient in the cells of vital tissues with strong enough colligative properties to depress freezing point (Raoult's law) maybe an answer.
But if you're still alive, we may have just not figured out a mechanism to make this work. If we discovered a similar mechanism to arctic frogs it may be possible. These frogs with natural biochemistry are able to withstand subzero temperature. Breathing and heart activity actually stops for
LINK
I actually learned about these frogs in my biochem class.
The gist is to hyper concentrate cellular glucose which draws H20 into cells. Damage from frostbite occurs due to frozen water in the blood causing an osmotic gradient which draws more water from the cells into the bloodstream which maintains the gradient eventually causing cell death via dehydration. So the problem isn't water expands when it freezes, its the balance of water in extra/intra cellular concentrations. A balance between a temperature low enough to slow metabolic activity and some type of chemical gradient in the cells of vital tissues with strong enough colligative properties to depress freezing point (Raoult's law) maybe an answer.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:43 pm to AMS
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The gist is to hyper concentrate cellular glucose which draws H20 into cells. Damage from frostbite occurs due to frozen water in the blood causing an osmotic gradient which draws more water from the cells into the bloodstream which maintains the gradient eventually causing cell death via dehydration. So the problem isn't water expands when it freezes, its the balance of water in extra/intra cellular concentrations. A balance between a temperature low enough to slow metabolic activity and some type of chemical gradient in the cells of vital tissues with strong enough colligative properties to depress freezing point (Raoult's law) maybe an answer.
The most honest answer ever given on the OT.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:29 am to jonboy
The cryogenic facilities just keep the human head, more cost efficient especially since the victim, uh customer most likely has an account to tap for the long term. Many years later when a cure is found for the head there should be enough funds to connect it to a monkey's body or whatever body option "David Ames" account can afford. I don't doubt that eventually the medical science will make some astonishing leaps, but it will never be good enough to completely cheat death.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:42 am to PatDyesPants
No. I think within 100 years humans may be able to transfer consciousness into a robot but the brain will have to be apart of a live/active person. LINK
This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 1:46 am
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:51 am to PatDyesPants
I just want them to be able to upload my consciousness into a human like android with a 10 inch dick. Like that Bruce Willis movie.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 2:16 am to PatDyesPants
Uploading to matrix > cryogenics
Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:18 am to Beaver Bandit
Your link describes something more like transferring a copy of a more or less equivalent consciousness at the time of transfer into a computer which would replicate neural stimuli in another live human, but it does nothing to maintain your personal life/existence. Also it doesn't really address that the other persons neurons are wired differently than yours, so it will not be the same. Structure and function are extraordinarily related in neurons.
I think the OP is getting at freezing yourself until the tech is available to live forever/be brought back to life, not insert a copy of your consciousness into something else. I think it would be easier to freeze yourself alive (like the arctic frogs) until people figure out how to prevent degradation of telomeres during DNA replication. Similar to cancer's "immortal" cell lines, but in a more controlled non-cancerous fashion.
Manipulate cellular machinery/genes to have "immortal" cells/tissues/organs/systems rather than just inducing stimulation of excitatory or inhibitory neural circuity in a separate entity.
I think the OP is getting at freezing yourself until the tech is available to live forever/be brought back to life, not insert a copy of your consciousness into something else. I think it would be easier to freeze yourself alive (like the arctic frogs) until people figure out how to prevent degradation of telomeres during DNA replication. Similar to cancer's "immortal" cell lines, but in a more controlled non-cancerous fashion.
Manipulate cellular machinery/genes to have "immortal" cells/tissues/organs/systems rather than just inducing stimulation of excitatory or inhibitory neural circuity in a separate entity.
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