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Thoughts, Comments, Concerns with Regards to Basketball (Long)
Posted on 2/18/16 at 10:12 am
Posted on 2/18/16 at 10:12 am
Since other posters enjoy calling me out in threads, I figured I would make a thread in which y'all can come at me and save myself time searching.
First off, let's talk about last night. It sucked. I walked in the building at 7:25 and there were 500 people there and 25 students...I knew we were in trouble. The entire arena was dead 98% of the time and the team played that way. Alabama is a hot team, we missed some wide open shots and too many FT's. Victor got fouls, we tried to protect him by going to zone and our zone is awful. It's literally just straight awful. I have NEVER seen a zone that bad in my life. I have no idea what our coaches teach with zone principles, but it is terrible.
Secondly, I would be ok if LSU lost...as long as they played consistent. The road games weren't frustrating because we played hard, ran into foul trouble, tough road environments. But last night? Riley Norris got 16 rebounds...I don't even know what else to say besides Riley Norris got 16 rebounds. 16. Our effort was putrid from the start, and it makes it more upsetting because it was 2 bubble teams going head to head.
Thirdly, when will LSU ever get some breaks from the refs? I'm not remotely blaming the refs for the game, because we were 20/35 from the line, but there were a couple of calls that were game changers and just awful. Obasohan runs into the lane, arm bars Victor and gets an and1 with 10 minutes left. This gives Craig 4 fouls and allows Bama 3 points. The real issue is we suck at FT's. But when you call a foul and Obasohan shoots 2 ft's then you let Simmons shoot FT's...it's not the same. In the 2nd half they took the ball out of the players' hands and made it a FT contest and we will lose that. Sure, that is squarely on the team to shoot better, but it's still a shitty way to play basketball.
Fourthly, I have defended Ben this entire season, I will continue to do so...but it's getting upsetting. Duke beat UNC because their only 2 good players shot 39 shots combined. Brandon Ingram shot 21 (only 7/21...but still). If Ben shot 21 shots, I'm pretty positive he would get roughly 40 points. And I get that it has to be tiring driving to the goal every pay, but Ben NEVER seems tired. He just coasts so much. I keep hoping the light will come on while he's at LSU (in the sense that one game he just shoots 30 times and let's the world know), but I'm afraid that's going to happen in the NBA. We will look back in 10 years and be blown away with who he has become...but we won't see it. It's a shame because 19/12/5 should be good enough, but it's not. So Ben needs to realize it's not and step it up, because he is more than capable.
Fifthly, Johnny Jones is an average coach. He's not terrible, he's not good. He cannot coach a zone defense to save his life, and we always suck at FT's under him. I was in the arena for the downfall of Brady and Trent...we are not CLOSE to that. You have to give the man props for getting us back to being a respectable team. We are vastly underachieving at this point, but the program is not going into the ground. If we don't make the tourney I want him on the hot seat (and we won't be that good next year if everyone leaves so essentially he will be fired in a year), but we are not a powerhouse program. We have made back to back tourneys once in the last 20+ years...why is there such a false impression of basketball around here? Because Shaq and CJ were awesome 25 years ago? We have the 12th highest paid coach in the SEC, yet we finish in the top half of the SEC routinely.
Lastly, I'm sorry...I'm not sorry that I take a positive stand on LSU basketball. LSU has major holes in many facets of their game...but so does EVERYONE. Duke won with basically 5 players last night. Iowa lost at Penn State. Oklahoma lost again on the road. It is a CRAZY basketball season. LSU is far far farrrrr from out of this thing. I'm not gonna feel bad because I take a stance of wanting LSU to succeed and rather be wrong, than sit there and criticize EVERYTHING then come on here bragging about how "right" I was. I am thoroughly convinced there is a large group of posters that watch the games and they somewhat cheer for the other team. They do this just so they can come on here and throw their dicks around. LSU wins against A&M, there were 7 posts about basketball on the front page. I walked out the arena, got to my car, pulled up TD and holy shite...I've never seen so much bashing. Do I take LSU basketball way too seriously? You bet I do, I'm aware of that. I've traveled around the country this year for them, I've put job offers on hold so I can have more freedom and flexibility in my schedule, only to be let down soooo much. Everyone has passions and hobbies, LSU basketball is one of my biggest passions...so you can imagine how supremely disappointed I am on a regular basis.
Overall, I am disappointed with this season and team. I will criticize and be unhappy, but the level some of you bring it to is unheard of. We're supposed to all be LSU fans, but very few actually seem like it. A big part of me wants to stop posting and doing previews...but I realized that you would win, so I'm not. I'm gonna do it for the handful of people that enjoy my previews, and because I like learning about the other teams.
Rant Over...down vote away...I really don't care at this point.
First off, let's talk about last night. It sucked. I walked in the building at 7:25 and there were 500 people there and 25 students...I knew we were in trouble. The entire arena was dead 98% of the time and the team played that way. Alabama is a hot team, we missed some wide open shots and too many FT's. Victor got fouls, we tried to protect him by going to zone and our zone is awful. It's literally just straight awful. I have NEVER seen a zone that bad in my life. I have no idea what our coaches teach with zone principles, but it is terrible.
Secondly, I would be ok if LSU lost...as long as they played consistent. The road games weren't frustrating because we played hard, ran into foul trouble, tough road environments. But last night? Riley Norris got 16 rebounds...I don't even know what else to say besides Riley Norris got 16 rebounds. 16. Our effort was putrid from the start, and it makes it more upsetting because it was 2 bubble teams going head to head.
Thirdly, when will LSU ever get some breaks from the refs? I'm not remotely blaming the refs for the game, because we were 20/35 from the line, but there were a couple of calls that were game changers and just awful. Obasohan runs into the lane, arm bars Victor and gets an and1 with 10 minutes left. This gives Craig 4 fouls and allows Bama 3 points. The real issue is we suck at FT's. But when you call a foul and Obasohan shoots 2 ft's then you let Simmons shoot FT's...it's not the same. In the 2nd half they took the ball out of the players' hands and made it a FT contest and we will lose that. Sure, that is squarely on the team to shoot better, but it's still a shitty way to play basketball.
Fourthly, I have defended Ben this entire season, I will continue to do so...but it's getting upsetting. Duke beat UNC because their only 2 good players shot 39 shots combined. Brandon Ingram shot 21 (only 7/21...but still). If Ben shot 21 shots, I'm pretty positive he would get roughly 40 points. And I get that it has to be tiring driving to the goal every pay, but Ben NEVER seems tired. He just coasts so much. I keep hoping the light will come on while he's at LSU (in the sense that one game he just shoots 30 times and let's the world know), but I'm afraid that's going to happen in the NBA. We will look back in 10 years and be blown away with who he has become...but we won't see it. It's a shame because 19/12/5 should be good enough, but it's not. So Ben needs to realize it's not and step it up, because he is more than capable.
Fifthly, Johnny Jones is an average coach. He's not terrible, he's not good. He cannot coach a zone defense to save his life, and we always suck at FT's under him. I was in the arena for the downfall of Brady and Trent...we are not CLOSE to that. You have to give the man props for getting us back to being a respectable team. We are vastly underachieving at this point, but the program is not going into the ground. If we don't make the tourney I want him on the hot seat (and we won't be that good next year if everyone leaves so essentially he will be fired in a year), but we are not a powerhouse program. We have made back to back tourneys once in the last 20+ years...why is there such a false impression of basketball around here? Because Shaq and CJ were awesome 25 years ago? We have the 12th highest paid coach in the SEC, yet we finish in the top half of the SEC routinely.
Lastly, I'm sorry...I'm not sorry that I take a positive stand on LSU basketball. LSU has major holes in many facets of their game...but so does EVERYONE. Duke won with basically 5 players last night. Iowa lost at Penn State. Oklahoma lost again on the road. It is a CRAZY basketball season. LSU is far far farrrrr from out of this thing. I'm not gonna feel bad because I take a stance of wanting LSU to succeed and rather be wrong, than sit there and criticize EVERYTHING then come on here bragging about how "right" I was. I am thoroughly convinced there is a large group of posters that watch the games and they somewhat cheer for the other team. They do this just so they can come on here and throw their dicks around. LSU wins against A&M, there were 7 posts about basketball on the front page. I walked out the arena, got to my car, pulled up TD and holy shite...I've never seen so much bashing. Do I take LSU basketball way too seriously? You bet I do, I'm aware of that. I've traveled around the country this year for them, I've put job offers on hold so I can have more freedom and flexibility in my schedule, only to be let down soooo much. Everyone has passions and hobbies, LSU basketball is one of my biggest passions...so you can imagine how supremely disappointed I am on a regular basis.
Overall, I am disappointed with this season and team. I will criticize and be unhappy, but the level some of you bring it to is unheard of. We're supposed to all be LSU fans, but very few actually seem like it. A big part of me wants to stop posting and doing previews...but I realized that you would win, so I'm not. I'm gonna do it for the handful of people that enjoy my previews, and because I like learning about the other teams.
Rant Over...down vote away...I really don't care at this point.
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 10:18 am to LSUButt
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I'm not gonna feel bad because I take a stance of wanting LSU to succeed
Posted on 2/18/16 at 10:18 am to LSUButt
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Thirdly, when will LSU ever get some breaks from the refs?
Alabama was called for 19 fouls. LSU was called for 14
LSU shot 35 free throws. Bama shot 18. The only reason the foul and free throw discrepancy was that close was because y'all had to repeatedly foul to end the game.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 10:19 am
Posted on 2/18/16 at 10:24 am to LSUButt
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I will criticize and be unhappy, but the level some of you bring it to is unheard of.
Well understand this:
This was the season people told us to be patient for, and to see us still be a bubble team should warrant any amount, and any level of criticism.
The issues of the last few years are still apparent on this team.
Poor FT%
Lack of intensity
Lack of urgency
Severe flaws from a fundamental standpoint
Fixable issues that are still not fixed for FOUR YEARS now.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 10:26 am to LSUButt
Obssohan just scored again as five white jerseys stand and watch
Posted on 2/18/16 at 10:27 am to LSUButt
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LSUButt
Quality post.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 10:34 am to LSUButt
you didnt act crazy enough last night. im disappointed in you
Posted on 2/18/16 at 10:34 am to LSUButt
Butt, this team is just an enigma. CJJ's team seem to be that way.
Crowd was dead......
We got out hustled most of the night.
Never seen a player get so many borderline calls as CV does. 2 of them last night were terrible.
Ben has to put this team on his back. He has to decide to be the Alpha Dog, ALL OF THE TIME. I think he tried at times last night but his poor FT shooting let him down.
Agree on CJJ. He is what he is. But, our zone is terrible. Mainly because our players seem to not understand what to do.
This team needs 1 thing to happen. No it's not the only fault with this team. But, it MUST get better play out of the PG position. TQ is killing this team. BS is steady as they get. Victor is steady (if only he fouled less). Hornsby steady. TQ is an enigma that thinks he's way better than he is. If he plays well, we can beat anyone (we can hang with most if he just plays decent). But, both him and JG have been pretty terrible for the most part this year. I think this team will sink or swim by how 1 or both of those guys play from here on out.
Crowd was dead......
We got out hustled most of the night.
Never seen a player get so many borderline calls as CV does. 2 of them last night were terrible.
Ben has to put this team on his back. He has to decide to be the Alpha Dog, ALL OF THE TIME. I think he tried at times last night but his poor FT shooting let him down.
Agree on CJJ. He is what he is. But, our zone is terrible. Mainly because our players seem to not understand what to do.
This team needs 1 thing to happen. No it's not the only fault with this team. But, it MUST get better play out of the PG position. TQ is killing this team. BS is steady as they get. Victor is steady (if only he fouled less). Hornsby steady. TQ is an enigma that thinks he's way better than he is. If he plays well, we can beat anyone (we can hang with most if he just plays decent). But, both him and JG have been pretty terrible for the most part this year. I think this team will sink or swim by how 1 or both of those guys play from here on out.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 10:46 am to LSUButt
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LSUButt
Great Post Butt. I admire true LSU fans like yourself. I, personally, give up far to easily and just not really what you consider a good "fan". I'm too emotionally involved during the games. I guess it's because I've followed LSU since childhood. My expectations are very often unrealistic causing great disappointment when they lose. But the next day, after the emotions settle down, I'm able to objectively look at the wins and losses and evaluate the X's and O's a lot better from a fan perspective from those with better insight such as yourself.
I really can't add anymore to your analysis of last night. You hit it pretty much spot on. I guess I just have to believe that the players will give it their all and hope it's enough. A lot of pieces and luck have to fall into place to have chances at championships. I hope the Tigers can pull together and somehow make it in to the tournament. Who knows what can happen after that. Although, I have to be honest, and based on what I've seen so far, I don't see that happening. I guess this is a good time for hope.
Keep up the good work on the game previews! Excellent stuff!
Posted on 2/18/16 at 10:47 am to LSUButt
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Ben just coasts so much. I keep hoping the light will come on while he's at LSU (in the sense that one game he just shoots 30 times and let's the world know), but I'm afraid that's going to happen in the NBA. We will look back in 10 years and be blown away with who he has become...but we won't see it. It's a shame because 19/12/5 should be good enough, but it's not. So Ben needs to realize it's not and step it up, because he is more than capable.
I actually think Ben knows he's limited offensively and teams that sag way off and prevent his penetration can really frustrate him. Now, yes, he scored 20 so that frustration is relative.
But he has zero jump shot and can't/won't finish at the rim with his left hand. I think part of the reason Ben won't put the team on his back is that he knows his offensive limitations and doesn't want to show the world that he can't do it. Otherwise, why wouldn't he? Fear of injury? Fatigue? Not caring?
Sounds harsh, but I think it's true.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 10:53 am to LSUButt
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If Ben shot 21 shots
He passed up a dunk/layup to turn the ball over on a terrible pass last night. I am sorry the guy is just too passive.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:02 am to LSUButt
Great post.
I woke up angry too. I'm sad, depressed and disappointed about last night and the season as a whole.
But I still support LSU Basketball through the highs and lows, and still believe in this group.
I woke up angry too. I'm sad, depressed and disappointed about last night and the season as a whole.
But I still support LSU Basketball through the highs and lows, and still believe in this group.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:17 am to LSUButt
Absolutely brilliant post and spot on. Every time I've brought myself to peek in on LSU basketball they seem to suck like a Hoover. Since Trent left it has been better but still no free throw shooting is just horrible. How is it coach after coach with any number of players the same crappy FT shooting? If they shoot 80% last night it is a victory
I have NEVER seen a basketball team consistently botch shots standing UNDER the goal. It is uncanny how this happens game after game.
Simmons? Yep, he is good and probably could do better. He is the self proclaimed best player but he sure sucked last night. Of course, the whole team did.
As far as referees go - they suck every bit as badly as the FB ones do. I don't know what it is about Victor being a foul magnet! I officiated basketball 20 years and I never targeted a player because of rep, size, aggressiveness, etc. If you foul you foul! They also call too many ticky tacky fouls and destroy the rhythm of the game. I WANT to watch good basketball win or lose. It's just not very good anywhere right now. I don't think the SEC will fare well in the tournament regardless of who makes it.
I have NEVER seen a basketball team consistently botch shots standing UNDER the goal. It is uncanny how this happens game after game.
Simmons? Yep, he is good and probably could do better. He is the self proclaimed best player but he sure sucked last night. Of course, the whole team did.
As far as referees go - they suck every bit as badly as the FB ones do. I don't know what it is about Victor being a foul magnet! I officiated basketball 20 years and I never targeted a player because of rep, size, aggressiveness, etc. If you foul you foul! They also call too many ticky tacky fouls and destroy the rhythm of the game. I WANT to watch good basketball win or lose. It's just not very good anywhere right now. I don't think the SEC will fare well in the tournament regardless of who makes it.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:17 am to LSUButt
I love your passion for lsu basketball. But. You started your post by blaming the crowd for the loss. Up yhours. These guys should have won last night in front of 20 people.simmons is an overrated basketball player. It's as simple as that. He's good but not great as everyone thinks. Lsu will never go after a big money coach in basketball. Fact. You are gonna have seasons like this from now on. Blame jones all you want.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:17 am to LSUButt
good post Butt, completely agree on everything.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:26 am to LSUButt
Nicely done, Butt. I don't think I can disagree with much if any of that.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:40 am to LSUButt
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Thirdly, when will LSU ever get some breaks from the refs?
Posted on 2/18/16 at 12:34 pm to LSUButt
Nice to see the king of the pumpers face facts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:45 pm to LSUButt
quote:
Since other posters enjoy calling me out in threads, I figured I would make a thread in which y'all can come at me and save myself time searching.
First off, let's talk about last night. It sucked. I walked in the building at 7:25 and there were 500 people there and 25 students...I knew we were in trouble. The entire arena was dead 98% of the time and the team played that way. Alabama is a hot team, we missed some wide open shots and too many FT's. Victor got fouls, we tried to protect him by going to zone and our zone is awful. It's literally just straight awful. I have NEVER seen a zone that bad in my life. I have no idea what our coaches teach with zone principles, but it is terrible.
Secondly, I would be ok if LSU lost...as long as they played consistent. The road games weren't frustrating because we played hard, ran into foul trouble, tough road environments. But last night? Riley Norris got 16 rebounds...I don't even know what else to say besides Riley Norris got 16 rebounds. 16. Our effort was putrid from the start, and it makes it more upsetting because it was 2 bubble teams going head to head.
Thirdly, when will LSU ever get some breaks from the refs? I'm not remotely blaming the refs for the game, because we were 20/35 from the line, but there were a couple of calls that were game changers and just awful. Obasohan runs into the lane, arm bars Victor and gets an and1 with 10 minutes left. This gives Craig 4 fouls and allows Bama 3 points. The real issue is we suck at FT's. But when you call a foul and Obasohan shoots 2 ft's then you let Simmons shoot FT's...it's not the same. In the 2nd half they took the ball out of the players' hands and made it a FT contest and we will lose that. Sure, that is squarely on the team to shoot better, but it's still a shitty way to play basketball.
Fourthly, I have defended Ben this entire season, I will continue to do so...but it's getting upsetting. Duke beat UNC because their only 2 good players shot 39 shots combined. Brandon Ingram shot 21 (only 7/21...but still). If Ben shot 21 shots, I'm pretty positive he would get roughly 40 points. And I get that it has to be tiring driving to the goal every pay, but Ben NEVER seems tired. He just coasts so much. I keep hoping the light will come on while he's at LSU (in the sense that one game he just shoots 30 times and let's the world know), but I'm afraid that's going to happen in the NBA. We will look back in 10 years and be blown away with who he has become...but we won't see it. It's a shame because 19/12/5 should be good enough, but it's not. So Ben needs to realize it's not and step it up, because he is more than capable.
Fifthly, Johnny Jones is an average coach. He's not terrible, he's not good. He cannot coach a zone defense to save his life, and we always suck at FT's under him. I was in the arena for the downfall of Brady and Trent...we are not CLOSE to that. You have to give the man props for getting us back to being a respectable team. We are vastly underachieving at this point, but the program is not going into the ground. If we don't make the tourney I want him on the hot seat (and we won't be that good next year if everyone leaves so essentially he will be fired in a year), but we are not a powerhouse program. We have made back to back tourneys once in the last 20+ years...why is there such a false impression of basketball around here? Because Shaq and CJ were awesome 25 years ago? We have the 12th highest paid coach in the SEC, yet we finish in the top half of the SEC routinely.
Lastly, I'm sorry...I'm not sorry that I take a positive stand on LSU basketball. LSU has major holes in many facets of their game...but so does EVERYONE. Duke won with basically 5 players last night. Iowa lost at Penn State. Oklahoma lost again on the road. It is a CRAZY basketball season. LSU is far far farrrrr from out of this thing. I'm not gonna feel bad because I take a stance of wanting LSU to succeed and rather be wrong, than sit there and criticize EVERYTHING then come on here bragging about how "right" I was. I am thoroughly convinced there is a large group of posters that watch the games and they somewhat cheer for the other team. They do this just so they can come on here and throw their dicks around. LSU wins against A&M, there were 7 posts about basketball on the front page. I walked out the arena, got to my car, pulled up TD and holy shite...I've never seen so much bashing. Do I take LSU basketball way too seriously? You bet I do, I'm aware of that. I've traveled around the country this year for them, I've put job offers on hold so I can have more freedom and flexibility in my schedule, only to be let down soooo much. Everyone has passions and hobbies, LSU basketball is one of my biggest passions...so you can imagine how supremely disappointed I am on a regular basis.
Overall, I am disappointed with this season and team. I will criticize and be unhappy, but the level some of you bring it to is unheard of. We're supposed to all be LSU fans, but very few actually seem like it. A big part of me wants to stop posting and doing previews...but I realized that you would win, so I'm not. I'm gonna do it for the handful of people that enjoy my previews, and because I like learning about the other teams.
Rant Over...down vote away...I really don't care at this point.
brotato chip............every word was spot on. I am with you. nice write up. internet trolls are everywhere. most of the haters are trying to make their pathetic existence seem better by finding extreme faults in everything. what a bunch of miserable fricks.
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