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re: Spinoff: Outdoor related falsehoods people believe

Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:21 pm to
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:21 pm to
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Study a trajectory chart, you will see that bullets rise in any properly sighted rifle, through mid range.



NO, no it doesn't rise.

Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17363 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:29 pm to
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NO, no it doesn't rise.



That two people who actually agree with each other arguing over terminology is an essential part of gun ownership.


Also, that human scent can be eliminated to the point a deer can't smell you.
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4751 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:40 pm to
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King Ranch has been culling deer forever. Yet they still produce cull bucks every year. You're not changing the genetics of a heard that way


Yup. It takes roughly 13 years if you are able to identify every deer in a herd every year, as well as know the genetic makeup of all the does that contribute 50% of antler genes, and taking them out before they get a chance to breed to "cull" a particular genetic trait. As you said, that is why ranches that have been culling for years will always still produce "culls". Not to mention, you won't find a ranch worth a damn that culls bucks before 3.5 years old, which is what the original quote was. Let's also not forget that bucks don't breed an unlimited amount of does. They will breed just a few a year. This isn't cattle or elk. It's white tails. And a doe who is previously bred will still breed with another buck the same year, and take. In those cases, it is highly likely that the first buck breeding her is a yearling or younger buck, which don't typically get culled anyway......so you see the issue with saying you are culling for the sake of antler building or giving better bucks a better chance to breed.

Gonna rain some downvotes up in here I'm sure.

Eta: my use of "a few" earlier isn't intended to mean 3....just that it's not dozens. Lol
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 4:41 pm
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
7352 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:50 pm to
A 1911 is better than a glock.
Posted by CroTigerXIII
The Cro
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:50 pm to
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Study a trajectory chart, you will see that bullets rise in any properly sighted rifle, through mid range


Exactly, see below. If a bullet doesn't rise then how can you explain it starting at 1.5" low before rising to 2.87" above before falling eventually into the negatives?

Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:58 pm to
That is how high the crosshairs are above the bore of the rifle (1.5"). Then it goes to where you have it zeroed in and falls. The barrel is aimed up either way. With a perfectly level barrel, it ain't going up
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
4393 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 5:00 pm to
Bc your chart is for sighting in w gun at a distance. Just like to hit a head high object at 200 ft with a baseball you aim up for it to zero at that distance. The barrel is tilted up so the bullet "rises" and falls to hit a "0"
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 5:01 pm to
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joeleblanc


For giggles I took a look at your posting history. You really are an insufferable narcissist with delusions of grandeur. Either that or your shtick here is to be an abrasive, omniscient, wealth bigoted, authority on all things outdoors.


I bet you (your TD persona) is a real blast to hang out with.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 5:11 pm to
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That is how high the crosshairs are above the bore of the rifle (1.5"). Then it goes to where you have it zeroed in and falls. The barrel is aimed up either way. With a perfectly level barrel, it ain't going up


Sort of.

Technically the bullet is falling from the millisecond it leaves the barrel. So the zeroed in mark, be it 100 or 200 yards, is actually the intersection point of roughly a linear angle between the vector through your eyes and the cross hairs and the vector of the barrel minus gravitational force acting on the bullet for the length of time it takes the bullet to get to that intersection of vectors. That is if we ignore coefficient of drag, temperature, and humidity of course. Since the time for a bullet to reach a 100 or 200 yard target is so small, the distance of drop to that point is minimal but it does exist.

i.e. BULLETS, LIKE ARROWS, ARE ALWAYS MOVING IN A CURVILINEAR PATH AND NEVER IN A STRAIGHT LINE NOT EVEN FOR A THOUSANDTH OF A SECOND. (when shot inside of earths gravitational field.)
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27534 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 5:31 pm to
Dear Diary,

Today I wrote a long explanation on the internet to prove someone wrong on the internet.

Also, I forgot simple aerodynamics that might interfere with a bullets rotation, causing a wandering, causing a low pressure area, which if above the bullet, causes it to rise.

Signed,
Shiney hook
Posted by AUTimbo
Member since Sep 2011
2880 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 5:42 pm to
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You're not changing the genetics of a heard that way


That's not what I herd...


Posted by Chuker
St George, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2015
7544 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 5:43 pm to
Dig a hole on the wrong phase of the moon and you won't have enough dirt to fill it back up.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25315 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 5:56 pm to
Dear diary,

Today I attempted to make fun of someone on a message board dedicated to discussing the outdoors. Ironically I assumed I would succeed in making fun of them for discussing an outdoor related topic there. I failed.


P.S. I also failed to note that that person had accounted for my own painstakingly typed out physics-based logic during said attempt. "That is if we ignore coefficient of drag, temperature, and humidity of course."


Signed,
An apparently dull rusty hook
Posted by AUTimbo
Member since Sep 2011
2880 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 5:59 pm to
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There is a "void" above the lungs and below the spine


I will have to cordially disagree with you here on this one.
I'm not saying it's a "void" but just above the the lungs one can make a perfect broadside shot and potentially have not hit vitals. Did it about 6 years ago on a cull buck. 22 yards, perfectly broadside and nearly even with me ( he was higher up the ridge than my tree, thus making it roughly zero angulation)
Shish-ka-bobbed him on what looked to be a perfect front of lung shot. After initial jump he ran 15 yds or so and stopped, looked back...and then slowly walked away acting unhit. I could see 6-8 inches of arrow sticking out both sides as he walked dead away from me. Got a pic of him on one of our cameras a week later, arrow still in him, coming in to check does.
He may have died eventually from infection, but not from what looked to be a perfect hit.
My guess is when they breathe out as they coil to take off at the release/launch noise, their lungs decrease a bit in size, like a semi-deflated balloon. Arrow gets there split second later as lung is refilling and the blades miss high on the top of the lung, but too low to cut any major veins or arteries running under the backbone.
Thus a seemingly perfect lung hit leaves a non-mortal hit on a deer and a very confused bowhunter in it's wake.
JMHO
Posted by Ole Geauxt
KnowLa.
Member since Dec 2007
50880 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 6:08 pm to
Is it a full moon Halloween today, or something, it's been cray cray!

Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27534 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 6:18 pm to
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An apparently dull rusty hook



Then why did you take the bait?


In any case, I have seen more than one Brown Bear round suddenly decide it was going to rise 12+ inches by the time it hit 250 yards.

Hell, a while back I had three rounds pull hard right by three feet. You could have laid a playing card over the grouping, but they all punched through a metal pistol target rather than hitting the paper target.

I was just highlighting factory bullets do enough funny things that I would be hesitant to say bullets don't rise.
Posted by Raz4back
Member since Mar 2011
3954 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 6:28 pm to
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Shish-ka-bobbed him on what looked to be a perfect front of lung shot


More than likely above the spinal cord into the spinous process. The spine makes a huge dip down near the shoulders. The arrow striking the spinus process would explain not getting a pass through.

The lungs actually go slightly above the spinal cord. When a deer breathes the lungs expand lengthwise not vertically. If an arrow enters the rib cage it will hit organs.

LINK
This post was edited on 2/12/16 at 9:38 am
Posted by Nodust
Member since Aug 2010
22641 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 6:44 pm to
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Swollen throat, eyes, lips, cheeks, tongue, ears. Itching face/throat, coughing, scratchy lungs, stomach cramps, red eyes, itchy/swollen nasal passages and ear canals.

and guess what?

have never gotten a poison ivy rash since. Before that I was so allergic I'd basically live with poison ivy rashes all summer.


That's taking one for science
Posted by BiggerBear
Redbone Country
Member since Sep 2011
2930 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 7:04 pm to
That a Coral Snake cannot strike.
Posted by Manatee
Mandeville
Member since Oct 2011
415 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 7:58 pm to
The science says that until 3.5 years at a min you can determine if it is a cull or not but really older like 4.5 years and up.
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