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what nick saban knows
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:26 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:26 am
is what most of us know.
as incredible as it is, les miles tells you what he's going to do, does it, and if it doesn't work, keeps doing it. he does not vary.
same plan for Eastern Michigan vs. BAma.
for those who say it doesn't matter if we would have tried anything different, the Tide was so superior on the lines we would've still gotten beat, well, you just don't get it.
1. How do you know it wouldn't work?
2. even if you are right, why wouldn't you try a different strategy or tactic if what you are doing isn't working? your just going to give up.
we tried a couple of short passes, but harris didn't have touch. of course, we had 7 games to work on it, but we didn't. and the fact that some of these passes were open, but we abandonded the effort.
our passing game is the long ball. well, why didn't we play action and throw more long balls? anything but just bending over and taking it.
I could be satisfied with that. if we just got beat giving it our best shot. that happens.
maybe it's easier for some of you younger guys who don't remember the agony of the Charlie Mac days, when he did the exact same thing. He tried to play Alabama straight up. with Bert Jones, he wouldn't let him pass except on 3rd down. We suffered a long time.
We had no hope of ever winning. it's come to that with miles.
as incredible as it is, les miles tells you what he's going to do, does it, and if it doesn't work, keeps doing it. he does not vary.
same plan for Eastern Michigan vs. BAma.
for those who say it doesn't matter if we would have tried anything different, the Tide was so superior on the lines we would've still gotten beat, well, you just don't get it.
1. How do you know it wouldn't work?
2. even if you are right, why wouldn't you try a different strategy or tactic if what you are doing isn't working? your just going to give up.
we tried a couple of short passes, but harris didn't have touch. of course, we had 7 games to work on it, but we didn't. and the fact that some of these passes were open, but we abandonded the effort.
our passing game is the long ball. well, why didn't we play action and throw more long balls? anything but just bending over and taking it.
I could be satisfied with that. if we just got beat giving it our best shot. that happens.
maybe it's easier for some of you younger guys who don't remember the agony of the Charlie Mac days, when he did the exact same thing. He tried to play Alabama straight up. with Bert Jones, he wouldn't let him pass except on 3rd down. We suffered a long time.
We had no hope of ever winning. it's come to that with miles.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 9:29 am
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:33 am to stephendomalley
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is what most of us know. as incredible as it is, les miles tells you what he's going to do, does it, and if it doesn't work, keeps doing it. he does not vary. same plan for Eastern Michigan vs. BAma. for those who say it doesn't matter if we would have tried anything different, the Tide was so superior on the lines we would've still gotten beat, well, you just don't get it. 1. How do you know it wouldn't work? 2. even if you are right, why wouldn't you try a different strategy or tactic if what you are doing isn't working? your just going to give up. we tried a couple of short passes, but harris didn't have touch. of course, we had 7 games to work on it, but we didn't. and the fact that some of these passes were open, but we abandonded the effort. our passing game is the long ball. well, why didn't we play action and throw more long balls? anything but just bending over and taking it. I could be satisfied with that. if we just got beat giving it our best shot. that happens. maybe it's easier for some of you younger guys who don't remember the agony of the Charlie Mac days, when he did the exact same thing. He tried to play Alabama straight up. with Bert Jones, he wouldn't let him pass except on 3rd down. We suffered a long time. We had no hope of ever winning. it's come to that with miles.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:36 am to stephendomalley
Right on. Same issues with the lack of special teams coaching, scheme and player selection.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:44 am to stephendomalley
quote:Obvious.
les miles tells you what he's going to do, does it, and if it doesn't work, keeps doing it. he does not vary
I like CLM, but we will accept this until he's gone.
LSU had way too many offensive options on the field to go down like they did, and even though I thought surely he would mix some things in to get some yardage, what we saw was the same thing that Saban already knew. It was obvious how to beat Les, and NS didnt' have to be a genius to do it. Very frustrating that even in the face of defeat, Les won't change to win.
Sadly, that's just the way we roll.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:48 am to stephendomalley
I wonder if Saban makes Miles finish his veggies before he can play his video games
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:50 am to stephendomalley
We threw the whole play book at McNeese in like 6 plays. I meant, we tried a lot of different formations and personnel groups...not that our play book is 6 plays. We all know it's at least 8.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:56 am to stephendomalley
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maybe it's easier for some of you younger guys who don't remember the agony of the Charlie Mac days, when he did the exact same thing. He tried to play Alabama straight up. with Bert Jones, he wouldn't let him pass except on 3rd down. We suffered a long time.
The Ruston Rifle
1976-NFL MVP
1976-NFL offensive player of the year
1976- Pro Bowl
1977-Pro Bowl
QB rating over 100 for complete decade of the 70's-only 2 other players have done that.
Being a Colts fan he was my favorite. An arm unseen before in the NFL. Great Colt memories with the Rifle slinging it.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:57 am to stephendomalley
quote:
same plan for Eastern Michigan vs. BAma
EMU play breakdown: 14 passes and 50 runs
Bama play breakdwon: 21 pass plays and 26 runs
Definitely the same game plan.
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well, why didn't we play action and throw more long balls?
You do realize the play action only works when you can run the ball.
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we tried a couple of short passes, but harris didn't have touch
So your solution is to pass more.
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We had no hope of ever winning. it's come to that with miles.
LSU is 7-1.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:18 am to stephendomalley
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why didn't we play action and throw more long balls?
we play actioned all over... play action doesn't work when you can't run it. without the threat of the run, the PA doesn't work.
screens, slants, bootlegs were needed.
instead we just did this:
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:58 am to MrSpock
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Bama play breakdwon: 21 pass plays and 26 runs
Technically correct except I would take 2 of Harris' 6 runs and move them to pass plays, since they were sacks. SO that is 23 pass 24 run plays. And I can't recall for certain if one of his positive runs were on a scramble off of a pass play, but if so, that would be more passes than runs.
There are a lot of retarded posters out since Saturday.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:12 am to mdomingue
Doing the same run play...expecting different result. IS STUPID
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:19 am to stephendomalley
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as incredible as it is, les miles tells you what he's going to do, does it, and if it doesn't work, keeps doing it. he does not vary.
I think this is a valid criticism, and it's about the only valid one.
I love the man, and have been a VERY vocal proponent of his. Still am. But...as much as I love our style (which boils down to punching the other team in the mouth over and over again until their jaw breaks and we finally take over and pull away) BAMA has literally been built to withstand this.
Essentially, what we do ABSOLUTELY works most of the time. It's brutal, and to some boring...but it's effective because we're both good at it and we're built for it...we recruit to it. Most defenses in the SEC and obviously the nation are simply not equipped to defend this style...so we end up pushing them around and look like bullies by the fourth quarter.
Not BAMA. Their D lines are huge and 2 deep...their LB's are big. The 8 man boxes we usually run into in the SEC are not built like BAMA's.
So...where does that put us? To me, it feels like it's the early 90's again and we're facing Spurrier's Florida team who's offense is tearing SEC defenses apart who are built for something else. If the goal is, and it ought to be, to win the SECW each year, then it would seem as if the priority must be BEAT ALABAMA. Everything else will take care of itself...but if we can't beat BAMA we'll need to rely on help to get to Atlanta despite ourselves being loaded each year.
We may be Superman in terms of running into stacked fronts...but BAMA has amassed all the Kryptonite. I think it might be time to try a different approach...not a different coach, but a different approach.
We don't need to abandon the run to do this...BAMA does it and to most of the nation their offense looks prehistoric. The difference is where BAMA will spread out and foce defenses to move out of the box, we'll line up with 2 TE's and a fullback and bring the entire defense in to where we want to do work. This is just no way to live against BAMA's D built to beat what we do...
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:25 am to GeauxTigerTM
It honestly looked like a repeat of 2012 BCS NCG, but with a more capable offense and quarterback. Bama knew our weaknesses and exploited them, again. Les did nothing creative and had no backup plan.
I was actually expecting some special plays with 2 weeks to prepare. I guess that was too ambitious.
I was actually expecting some special plays with 2 weeks to prepare. I guess that was too ambitious.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:37 am to SUB
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It honestly looked like a repeat of 2012 BCS NCG, but with a more capable offense and quarterback.
Kind of, yeah.
The West, year in and year out now, runs through Tuscaloosa. LSU is as talented as any team in the country...but if we refuse to develop a scheme that forces BAMA to alter their plan to defend us, then we are purposefully putting ourselves in a hole wit them every season.
Kind of reminds me of that scene in Bull Durham where Crash Davis tells the hitter what pitch is coming. We can do that with most teams...we're just better and will win most battles up front and will force our will on teams. We have now seen that by and large that is simply impossible against BAMA.
So...we can either continue to try this exact style and see if it can work (keep in mind this time we brought the best running back of a generation running behind a VERY good OL to their yard and it was a nightmare) or we can decide that we need to tweak some things and make priority one beating BAMA to better ensure ourselves a spot in Atlanta.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 9:35 am to ztraveler
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Doing the same run play
They used at least 5 different run plays for Fournette out of at least 3 different formations We only ran the running backs 20 time the whole game. 19 of those Fournette.
The real problem was blocking. Here's a stat from Ross Dellenger:
Alabama’s first contact on Fournette in 19 attempts:
Behind line: 6 times
At line: 7
1 yard: 3
2 yards: 2
3 or more: 1
Hit at or behind the line 13 times in 19 attempts. Also, almost as many pass plays as run plays (stat Line had 26 run, 19 pass. But 2 of Harris' 6 runs are actually sacks and 2 PI penalties add 2 pass plays. so 24 run, 23 pass).
I know it doesn't fit into the poor game planning narrative, so feel free to substitute your own reality.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 9:37 am to stephendomalley
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1. How do you know it wouldn't work?
Don't question the man with the best record in LSU history
-positigers
This post was edited on 11/11/15 at 9:37 am
Posted on 11/11/15 at 9:38 am to SUB
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no backup plan.
This is what frustrates me the most about Miles. There is never any counter to Saban's counter.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 9:40 am to stephendomalley
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Charlie Mac days, when he did the exact same thing. He tried to play Alabama straight up.
I remember the days as a youth. My 87 year old dad said they asked Charlie to step down and it was because he couldn’t win the big one. He said this in reference to Miles and thinks it is time to move on again.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:24 am to Farkwad
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He said this in reference to Miles and thinks it is time to move on again.
Unfortunately it's a totally different situation. Paul Dtetzel may not have been the greatest AD LSU ever had (that was arguably either Jim Corbett or Bob Broadhead), but he did have the cajones to pull the plug on McClendon when it came time. That rat bastard Alleva just keeps giving Miles extensions for the same crap year after year.
This post was edited on 11/11/15 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 11/11/15 at 10:26 am to stephendomalley
I remember those days as a student in the '70s. They were almost as frustrating.
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