re: Game of Thrones S5:E6:"Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken", HODORS ONLY(No Book Readers)

Preciate it.

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He's very aware, and he actually confessed as much to Ramsey at one poin


Should have been more specific, did he know inititally or come to find out?

As in, did he intentionally want to burn them but found out that he fricked up, or did he intentionally make it look like he burned them to intimidate winterfell?

I should go back but I'm being a lazy prick.

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He intentionally made it look like he burned them but knew all along it wasn't them. He came across a couple of farm boys while looking for them and used them instead and then sent the farmer some gold or something for his loss.

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Nope, Cersei's got herself a nice little play going here to keep the Tyrells in check.

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I disagree. I think she's making a huge mistake here.

The Tyrell's aren't ones to cower really. Sure she has Pillowbiter and Wondertits in a dungeon ready to be killed at her whim. But from my understanding the Tyrell's have a solid army, Wondertits is adored in King's Landing, The Crown is up to their neck in debt to the Tyrell's and the Tyrell's provide most of the food stuff for the Crown. All of these combined give the Tyrell's a lot of power that Cercei is underestimating.

Sure she can behead Loras and Margeary, but that should only make matters worse for her.

I'm interested in Littlefinger's deal with Cercei. If Stannis marches on Winterfell, which was his plan, his army should win easily over the Bolton's. Sure his army may be weakened some, but does Littlefinger really think he'd be able to amass an army powerful enough to then re-take Winterfell against Stannis? I highly doubt this in practical terms.

I mean sure, GRRM and the writers can pretty much write anything they want - it doesn't have to make sense, but logically I think Cercei just made a fatal mistake.

Once the Tyrell's stop their supply of food and gold to the crown, you'll have internal uprising. Even a highly armed King needs gold and food. Stannis takes Winterfell, liberating the North and Sansa from the Bolton's, his power grows. Littlefinger would be a fool to attack Stannis - and Littlefinger is no fool. The Tyrell's ally themselves with Stannis.

That doesn't even include how Cercei is running out of other potential allies due to her poor decisions. She has a bounty on Tyrion who will probably end up with Daenerys, she sent Jamie to kidnap Myrcella. She's burning every bridge she has and the most powerful ally she had was the Tyrell's. Again, Bolton's/Frey should be no match for Stannis.

There was a reason Tywin put all this together. He made solid politically strategic moves to gain allies and power.

Bank of Florence or the Rothschilds? They were accused of doing the same thing as well in history.

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I do agree that Cersei is out of allies and now she is turning to LF who will gladly stab her in the back when the time is right.

I don't think LF has any intention of launching an attack against Stannis at Winterfell. I think he is just setting himself up in case somehow Stannis is defeated. The Boltons would be weakened and he could swoop in and crush them.

If Stannis defeats the Boltons he could turn on Cersei and clear the way for Stannis to take the iron throne.

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This is how I see it as well.

Littlefinger basically gets permission to gather his army and use at his discretion. I don't know how powerful an army the Vale has or what else he can put together, but either way Littlefinger is about putting himself in no-lose situations.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he gathers the army and comes in to aide Stannis against Winterfell with the condition he becomes Warden of the North - or offers to take the Twins and Walder Frey while Stannis takes Winterfell under the same condition. Easily if successfuly, Littlefinger would control Winterfell, The Vale and the Twins. Sansa already previously betrothed to Joffrey, married to Tyrion and now Ramsay, is convinced to marry Littlefinger (technically her uncle now) to solidify the hold of the North (Tully's/Starks well regarded).

Varys once said Littlefinger is the most dangerous man in Westeros.

Isn't Tommen like 9 years old?

It's pretty silly to expect Tommen to handle this well. He's a kid who has no business being in charge of anything at this point. It makes perfect sense that he's terrified of causing violence. He's supposed to look weak.