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Spin off: intentionally trying to draw fouls
Posted on 4/25/15 at 10:46 am
Posted on 4/25/15 at 10:46 am
James Harden thinks he is MVP, but he spends all game trying to draw fouls. He is ruining the entertainment factor. We need to implement a rule change. How is watching James Harden on the charity stripe entertainment?
Posted on 4/25/15 at 10:50 am to EastNastySwag
Que? What's wrong with drawing a foul on a drive to the basket or on a shot?
And you spin this off from that shitty take in the intentional foul thread? Please tell me you understand the difference...
And you spin this off from that shitty take in the intentional foul thread? Please tell me you understand the difference...
Posted on 4/25/15 at 10:50 am to EastNastySwag
In some ways I agree. After watching three games for each player. Curry is twice the MVP Harden thinks he is.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 10:50 am to EastNastySwag
We do need to implement a rule change.
I'm sick and tired of everyone putting Spin Off: It's a new fricking thread.
I'm sick and tired of everyone putting Spin Off: It's a new fricking thread.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 10:52 am to VA LSU fan
Well you sample size of 3 playoff games certainly makes you qualified to judge for the regular season MVP...
Posted on 4/25/15 at 10:56 am to EastNastySwag
more points
more runs
more TDs
more goals
Everyone needs to be entertained now
more runs
more TDs
more goals
Everyone needs to be entertained now
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:26 am to VA LSU fan
After Curry just had the most Harden-esque game of his career with sub-30% shooting and needing 14 FT attempts and Harden put up 42 points on 60+% shooting? Trolling or not watching very closely?
Back on point, I've always felt they should tighten up on offensive players that diverge from their direct path to the basket just to initiate contact with a defender. It's tough to legislate exactly what is and isn't legal guarding position though and usually when these plays happen both players are moving in to each other somewhat so it's natural to give the advantage to the offensive player.
As it is now, any contact (other than push-offs, elbows, act.) that isn't the defender being between the offensive player and the goal and getting hit squarely is called a defensive foul. If you can't keep a guy like Harden in front of you, he's either taking advantage of the rule by veering into the desperately recovering defender once he's got them on his hip or taking advantage of lazy/unfocused defenders who lazily have their hands low at their sides instead of high and swiping up through their arms. It's hard to legislate either of these out, as defenders could easily take advantage of not being called for fouls for leaving their arms out to impede motion and offensive players should have the freedom to dribble where they please if the defense isn't cutting them off.
Back on point, I've always felt they should tighten up on offensive players that diverge from their direct path to the basket just to initiate contact with a defender. It's tough to legislate exactly what is and isn't legal guarding position though and usually when these plays happen both players are moving in to each other somewhat so it's natural to give the advantage to the offensive player.
As it is now, any contact (other than push-offs, elbows, act.) that isn't the defender being between the offensive player and the goal and getting hit squarely is called a defensive foul. If you can't keep a guy like Harden in front of you, he's either taking advantage of the rule by veering into the desperately recovering defender once he's got them on his hip or taking advantage of lazy/unfocused defenders who lazily have their hands low at their sides instead of high and swiping up through their arms. It's hard to legislate either of these out, as defenders could easily take advantage of not being called for fouls for leaving their arms out to impede motion and offensive players should have the freedom to dribble where they please if the defense isn't cutting them off.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:28 am to ehidal1
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What's wrong with drawing a foul on a drive to the basket or on a shot?
often....everything
bulldozing into a defender and flailing your arms after 0 contact should not be rewarded, especially with the loose travel rules today
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:31 am to EastNastySwag
I see exactly what you're doing, and I approve
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:48 am to EastNastySwag
I see what you're doing, but there doesn't need to be a rule change, refs just need to become more knowledgable in this area. It's an offensive foul, and some refs actually call it as that, but very few do. If they watch film in the offseason like they should and learn the tendencies of certain players, guys like Chris Paul and James Harden should be called for a lot more offensive fouls next season.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:53 am to EastNastySwag
I agree with both proposed rule changes
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:54 am to Dawgsontop34
It's the refs! If the offensive player initiates the contact, it shouldn't be a foul. Harden is great at this and gets the calls. He's playing to what the refs are calling. Is it annoying, yes.
Just like the hack a Shaq. It's part of the game. If the league wanted to do something about it, they would have done it 10-15 years ago when it started
Just like the hack a Shaq. It's part of the game. If the league wanted to do something about it, they would have done it 10-15 years ago when it started
Posted on 4/25/15 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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bulldozing into a defender and flailing your arms after 0 contact should not be rewarded
Too late.
Signed,
Lebron James' Career
Posted on 4/25/15 at 12:36 pm to Dawgsontop34
quote:
but there doesn't need to be a rule change, refs just need to become more knowledgable in this area. It's an offensive foul, and some refs actually call it as that, but very few do. If they watch film in the offseason like they should and learn the tendencies of certain players, guys like Chris Paul and James Harden should be called for a lot more offensive fouls next season.
The problem is alot of their cheap fouls are initiating contact against guys that are in lazy, illegal guarding positions. If you don't give them these calls, then the advantage will swing too far back to the defense and defenders will take advantage by keeping their arms outstretched since the refs won't give the offensive player the call because they "initiated" the contact. You need to be allowed to initiate contact against defenders that are illegally obstructing you. It's a difficult give and take, as whichever way you go with it smart players will take the rules to the extremes to exploit them.
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