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re: To all the Johnny Jones haters..
Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:12 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:12 pm to TigerBait1127
Consistently is the key word... in recruiting players that are only going to stay in school 1-2 years will make it difficult but that is the nature of the beast in college basketball right now and that's where the coaching comes into play.....The window for a NC has changed because of the type of players being recruited by JJ...He is recruiting players that are capable of winning a NC now...#1 recruiting class(es)..he will only have them for 1-2 years...so NC expectations may not be to unreasonable...coaching comes into play once again...He will have to rebuild every year with top players to be consistent if running this type of program...The alternative is to recruit players that will stick around for 2-4 years and build that type of program
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:20 pm to toothfxr92
quote:How many one and done players do you think LSU signed?
He will have to rebuild every year with top players to be consistent if running this type of program...The alternative is to recruit players that will stick around for 2-4 years and build that type of program
Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:48 pm to drizztiger
With these kids today...you never know how long they will stay...remember I said 1-2 years...ie Mickey and Martin...Coming year you have Simmons expected 1 year...Blakeney expected 1-2 years..both expected to be best players...Sampson depends on development 2-3 years...if you are replacing your best players every 2 years you have to be consistent in your recruiting
Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:56 pm to toothfxr92
I understand your point. I think if you look at the roster for next year, CJJ has done a nice job of mixing 4 year players, JUCO and 1-2 year players. IMO it's in LSU's best interest to have a core team of 3-4 year players and be able to insert 1-2 elite talents every year or two.
I don't think CJJ is going for an entire roster turnaround every 1-2 years.
I don't think CJJ is going for an entire roster turnaround every 1-2 years.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:04 pm to tigerclaw10
Anyone could make the same argument about Les Miles but you would have to also acknowledge his 2 trips to the NC game.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:07 pm to El Campo Tiger
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No, the team has not gotten better over the last three years.
You tell'em! Just because the team has won more games each successive year while the league as a whole improved means doodley squat, ya heah!!
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:29 pm to drizztiger
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I understand your point. I think if you look at the roster for next year, CJJ has done a nice job of mixing 4 year players, JUCO and 1-2 year players. IMO it's in LSU's best interest to have a core team of 3-4 year players and be able to insert 1-2 elite talents every year or two.
I don't think CJJ is going for an entire roster turnaround every 1-2 years.
Agreed...I like the way he is managing his roster...would like to see improvement in his perceived lack of coaching abilities...I guess just win and maybe those perceptions will go away
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:35 pm to tigerclaw10
It's real simple. If he wants to quiet the criticism, win.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:45 pm to toothfxr92
quote:He needs to coach better, I don't think any of the "pumpers" feel otherwise. It's just the trolls saying he flat out sucks and LSU has not improved under him that cause the backlash.
Agreed...I like the way he is managing his roster...would like to see improvement in his perceived lack of coaching abilities...I guess just win and maybe those perceptions will go away
I've personally been very critical of CJJ at times. But that doesn't negate the fact that he has won more games in his 1st 3 years at LSU than any other LSU coach in their 1st 3 years.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:03 pm to drizztiger
I'm no fan of Jones' in-game coaching - I think it's actually quite poor.
But there's no denying we've improved since he arrived, and his recruiting is fantastic.
For us to really get over the hump, he needs much better sets, plays, in-game strategy, tactics, and motivation.
But you can't deny that his recruiting has been excellent.
But there's no denying we've improved since he arrived, and his recruiting is fantastic.
For us to really get over the hump, he needs much better sets, plays, in-game strategy, tactics, and motivation.
But you can't deny that his recruiting has been excellent.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:11 pm to Brageous
losing in tournament is not progress. Winning big games is a sign of progress.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:42 pm to TGFN57
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Anything from the rant trying to complain about Coach Jones is nothing but complete bull shite
Do you know how stupid this sounds? You don't have to have a PHD in basketball to point out obvious weaknesses...moron.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:49 pm to bruce2129
losing in tournament is not progress.
But.....Making the tournament is progress
But.....Making the tournament is progress
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:53 pm to atltiger6487
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I'm no fan of Jones' in-game coaching - I think it's actually quite poor. But there's no denying we've improved since he arrived, and his recruiting is fantastic. For us to really get over the hump, he needs much better sets, plays, in-game strategy, tactics, and motivation. But you can't deny that his recruiting has been excellent.
All 100% true.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:54 pm to drizztiger
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trolls saying he flat out sucks and LSU has not improved under h
There is someone saying LSU hasn't improved since he arrived? Who?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:58 pm to Nuts4LSU
The problem is the scales are tipped in one direction too far. I'd settle for him maybe being a little less successful at recruiting (not much) and a much better X's and O's guy.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:08 pm to El Campo Tiger
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El Campo Tiger
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:13 pm to mmcgrath
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just let the team coach itself
I think there are some who might think that would be an improvement.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:41 pm to KingofthePoint
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if Jones is as bad as you say he is, then you should care who he hires.
It seems perfectly clear to me he should hire Lester Earl as his assistant coach. Or do you think he's once bitten , twice shy ?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 4:20 pm to tigerclaw10
To me the best proof of what CJJ means to this school's basketball program is this post. I am a die hard basketball fan. I followed the team during all of the Trent Johnson years and lived and mostly died with the team.
There were maybe 10 of us doing that. Any basketball post but especially one in the off season would be ridiculed and hooted off the board. Now there is a post with 100 remarks in the off season right after the spring football game.
That marks a huge increase in fan attention and participation. CJJ has brought this program back from nothing to the NCAA tournament in 3 years. Now going into his 4th year he will have the number one recruiting class in the country (have we ever had another one?).
And some of you say he isn't good enough? Not an X and O's coach. Everytime I read that remark I think football fan. Basketball is not an X and O's game like that. There is no magic configuration of players that guarantees a bucket or a defensive stop every time.
Basketball is either chaos, diving for loose balls, fighting for rebounds, slapping the ball away for a block or steal or it is patience, moving the ball around until you get the right shot, or playing team defense and not bailing them out with a last minute foul.
There are only so many ways of positioning players on a basketball court and all modern coaches know what they are. But whether you run a pick play for a guard, a backdoor cut for an alley oop dunk, or an isolation play and let your star go one on one, you have to have players that can execute.
It is mostly the individual athleticism and skills that your players possess that make it work or not. Can a great basketball coach win with bad players? I doubt it.
Don't get me wrong. I question a lot of CJJ's decisions as far as who is getting playing time, resting your starters more, critical time outs and coming out of a time out seemingly confused as to what the play is.
That's what fans do. We get to second guess everything. But to say that this basketball program has not done well and gotten better is just a bunch of the proverbial cow puck.
This team has gotten better from year to year. To just look at Won/Lost numbers without taking into account the level of competition does nothing. The SEC as a whole has gotten stronger during these three years also.
As for him not screaming and yelling at players and refs during the games. I am thankful for that. I hate coaches like that. If Frank Martin of SC was our coach I would not be the fan I am.
So lighten up. CJJ may never win a national championship but if he gives us entertaining, competitive basketball with talented players to watch, I for one will be happy.
There were maybe 10 of us doing that. Any basketball post but especially one in the off season would be ridiculed and hooted off the board. Now there is a post with 100 remarks in the off season right after the spring football game.
That marks a huge increase in fan attention and participation. CJJ has brought this program back from nothing to the NCAA tournament in 3 years. Now going into his 4th year he will have the number one recruiting class in the country (have we ever had another one?).
And some of you say he isn't good enough? Not an X and O's coach. Everytime I read that remark I think football fan. Basketball is not an X and O's game like that. There is no magic configuration of players that guarantees a bucket or a defensive stop every time.
Basketball is either chaos, diving for loose balls, fighting for rebounds, slapping the ball away for a block or steal or it is patience, moving the ball around until you get the right shot, or playing team defense and not bailing them out with a last minute foul.
There are only so many ways of positioning players on a basketball court and all modern coaches know what they are. But whether you run a pick play for a guard, a backdoor cut for an alley oop dunk, or an isolation play and let your star go one on one, you have to have players that can execute.
It is mostly the individual athleticism and skills that your players possess that make it work or not. Can a great basketball coach win with bad players? I doubt it.
Don't get me wrong. I question a lot of CJJ's decisions as far as who is getting playing time, resting your starters more, critical time outs and coming out of a time out seemingly confused as to what the play is.
That's what fans do. We get to second guess everything. But to say that this basketball program has not done well and gotten better is just a bunch of the proverbial cow puck.
This team has gotten better from year to year. To just look at Won/Lost numbers without taking into account the level of competition does nothing. The SEC as a whole has gotten stronger during these three years also.
As for him not screaming and yelling at players and refs during the games. I am thankful for that. I hate coaches like that. If Frank Martin of SC was our coach I would not be the fan I am.
So lighten up. CJJ may never win a national championship but if he gives us entertaining, competitive basketball with talented players to watch, I for one will be happy.
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