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re: Whats our starting 5 next year w/ Malik Newman?
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:29 pm to monsterballads
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:29 pm to monsterballads
I don't think people realize that Simmons and Newman(if we land him) are locks to start and both are projected to be lottery picks in the draft next year, and have seen them both projected to go top 5. So 2/3 are locks to start. And Blakeney will be our best pure scorer and would be a lock to start if we miss out on Newman.
And look I love Hornsby. He's a leader and fan favorite. But Newman and Blakeney are just on a different level.
And look I love Hornsby. He's a leader and fan favorite. But Newman and Blakeney are just on a different level.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 2:43 pm
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:31 pm to GeauxToBed
Starting 5 would be:
Malik
Blakeney
Simmons
Victor
Hornsby
imo
Malik
Blakeney
Simmons
Victor
Hornsby
imo
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:33 pm to More beer please
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Why is it preposterous for us to start 3 freshman when high profile teams around the country do this often?
Posted on 4/2/15 at 3:18 pm to Tom Bronco
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It amazes me that people don't remember the lessons of the past. Anyone remember Quarterman and Martin's freshman year? No matter how great most freshmen require at least half the season to get adjusted to college ball.
Exactly. Chances are they will not be as good as people think they'll be at this moment.
Simmons is a lock to start. other then that, the spots will need to be earned because we are returning a lot of guards.
People fall in love quick with the "new toys". In reality, not every top recruit works out. And people are ready to guarantee them a spot because they are projected to be a lottery pick in 2 years?
. holy frick If we land Newman we can't trot out a lineup with him, Blakeney, and Hornsby. Then have Simmons playing the 4, and 6'8" Victor.
Newman- 6'3" (w small wingspan)
Blakeney- 6'4"
Horsnby 6'2"ish
Simmons not a true post player despite his size
Victor a tad undersized and more of a finesse big man
That lineup is unrealistic in real life. Would be cool in a video game though.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 3:40 pm to Lester Earl
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Anyone remember Quarterman and Martin's freshman year? No matter how great most freshmen require at least half the season to get adjusted to college ball.
Martin and O'Bryant were our last 2 Mcdonalds all americans. Neither lived up to the hype as freshman, and both were flat out bad at times.
Regis Koundjia back in the day was a consensus 5star and top 15 player. He was terrible.
Tack Minor was a top 50 player nationally.
and that isn't even looking at guys that signed with other teams. Yea lot work out and are at least serviceable college players. But to expect every high ranked player to be a lottery pick and immediate starter is just dumb. Act like you've followed college basketball before
Posted on 4/2/15 at 3:58 pm to Lester Earl
Hornsby is 6'4"
Posted on 4/2/15 at 4:00 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Yea, in the program. Which means he is about a tall 6'2" or short 6'3"
Posted on 4/2/15 at 4:05 pm to LSU 318 LSU
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Dude, Ben Simmons is pretty damn good, but really?
I am talking about in high school. Look at all their tape/stats he is just as good or better, especially he's got it all dribbling, shooting, rebounding, great passing, etc...
Posted on 4/2/15 at 4:06 pm to Lester Earl
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Martin and O'Bryant were our last 2 Mcdonalds all americans. Neither lived up to the hype as freshman, and both were flat out bad at times. Regis Koundjia back in the day was a consensus 5star and top 15 player. He was terrible. Tack Minor was a top 50 player nationally. and that isn't even looking at guys that signed with other teams. Yea lot work out and are at least serviceable college players. But to expect every high ranked player to be a lottery pick and immediate starter is just dumb. Act like you've followed college basketball before
nobody is acting like all of Simmons, Blakeney and Newman will all be lottery picks, but they likely all would be instant starters. We don't have any star guards and they would be our most talented guards. Also, didn't 3 of those 4 guys start as freshmen? Minor I know didn't but he's also not in the same class as a recruit as any out of Simmons, Blakeney or Newman. Like you said, Top 50 type of player, similar to say Mickey (who turned out great his freshman year), not Top 20 5-star type of player.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 4:17 pm to thunderbird1100
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We don't have any star guards and they would be our most talented guards.
Our top 4 returning players are all guards.
TQ, Hornsby, Patterson, and Gray.
I know the Freshman guys are talented. But they are going to have to earn their spots given our current team makeup. It's actually a big reason I don't think we land Newman. We have too many guys at 1 position. I don't really think he fits in.
I very much expect TQ and Hornsby to improve their games. Talent + experience are very important.
And we saw the flashes of what Patterson can do. Gray will be a Sr, so you know he'll have to get some run too.
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Also, didn't 3 of those 4 guys start as freshmen?
Yea but they weren't very good. And didn't really have players blocking them like we do now.
Minor at 1 point was a 5 star guy. I don't remember if he finished that way. But he had some huge fanfare(i think he had a 70pt game or something in HS).
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nobody is acting like all of Simmons, Blakeney and Newman will all be lottery picks,
Well i think Simmons is a lock to be a lottery pick. But a post in this thread said they are locks to start because they are in the lottery in some mock drafts for 2017(i think it was KG, go figure). That's dumb.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 4:24 pm to helllo_heisman002
If these kids are as good & athletic as advertised combined with solid returning guys, I say we go old school Nolan Richardson Arky 40 mins of hell.
That would be fun to watch!!
That would be fun to watch!!
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 4:27 pm to Lester Earl
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Our top 4 returning players are all guards. TQ, Hornsby, Patterson, and Gray.
And none of those guys are elite.
TQ has a high ceiling but plays 100% inconsistent
Hornsby is a hustle player with a great 3 point shot
Patterson is a young guy but promising
Gray was slightly above a disaster (considering expectations)
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I know the Freshman guys are talented.
I don't see what's hard to understand about them being very very talented. They aren't a fringe Top 50 overall 4-star player, they are literally Top 5 and Top 20 overall 5-stars. There's a difference, guys like that are expected to start and contribute a significant amount wherever they go. If we had NBA level guards returning I would also not expect them to start, but we don't, we have a few very solid guys but nobody with real NBA type potential unless Quarterman really gets consistent.
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Yea but they weren't very good.
And they weren't rated as highly as these guys generally. There's a difference in a Top 50 and Top 20 overall player. Regis was really the big disappointment (as he was rated very very highly). Martin was certainly ranked highly but EVERYONE knew coming in he had a big learning curve just picking up basketball towards the tail end of high school. Blakeney and Newman have played basketball forever.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 4:32 pm to Lester Earl
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Well i think Simmons is a lock to be a lottery pick. But a post in this thread said they are locks to start because they are in the lottery in some mock drafts for 2017(i think it was KG, go figure). That's dumb.
Agree Lester. Simmons would be a lottery pick if he came out NOW, much less in a year. And he's a lock to start. However I believe TQ and Hornsby will both start next year as well, so depending on who might step up from the Bigs left over, Blakeney could join Patterson and Gray as instant offense off the bench. Pretty Sure Victor earns a starting position by mid-season since he gets a late start. If Newman does come to LSU with all of the guards they already have, it tells you something about the kids confidence in himself.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 5:54 pm to thunderbird1100
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And they weren't rated as highly as these guys generally. There's a difference in a Top 50 and Top 20 overall player.
Just look at past lists year to year. There are tons of top 10 players who take time to develop.
It's not an exact science. Just looking at wing players from the last 2 years. Kelly Oubre, the Harrison twins. Not exactly dominant players in year 1.
shite just last night someone said comparing ben Simmons to lamar odom was a disservice. Huh? I mean I'm excited for these guys but hot damn I think we need to temper expectations a little bit.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 6:08 pm to Lester Earl
gray is a nice weapon against teams that want to press (arkansas, west virginia) if only he had some semblance of a jumper
Posted on 4/2/15 at 6:10 pm to S
It really says alot about play at the juco level if he averaged 30ppg
Posted on 4/2/15 at 6:20 pm to thunderbird1100
Does Anybody Remember the Fab Five?
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What makes Ben Simmons any less talented than Chris Webber?
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What makes Malik Newman any less talented than Ray Jackson?
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What makes Antonio Blakeney any less talented than Jimmy King?
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Yeah, I know we don't have a Jalen Rose or a Juwan Howard on the LSU squad, but great freshman can play and do so very well. Especially if they've been playing together for years in AAU, camps and otherwise.
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What makes Ben Simmons any less talented than Chris Webber?
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What makes Malik Newman any less talented than Ray Jackson?
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What makes Antonio Blakeney any less talented than Jimmy King?
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Yeah, I know we don't have a Jalen Rose or a Juwan Howard on the LSU squad, but great freshman can play and do so very well. Especially if they've been playing together for years in AAU, camps and otherwise.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 6:33 pm to Woodman
I'm already looking forward to after next season. It'll be the first offseason in a long time where I won't say "wait till next year"
Posted on 4/2/15 at 6:43 pm to josh336
Hornsby is more than just a hustle player...dude is an athlete too...And he is NOT 6'-2"...IF the program is wrong...what makes you believe Blakeney is a legit 6'-4" just bec he's listed as that?
Newman had a rough game yesterday...he looked a lil' timid...so anointing him as starter over Hornsby is a bit premature
Newman had a rough game yesterday...he looked a lil' timid...so anointing him as starter over Hornsby is a bit premature
Posted on 4/2/15 at 6:53 pm to RBTiger
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Hornsby is more than just a hustle player...dude is an athlete too...And he is NOT 6'-2"...IF the program is wrong...what makes you believe Blakeney is a legit 6'-4" just bec he's listed as that?
All the kids coming in go to Nike camps and get measured. Their measurements are easy to find on the internet. Hornsby wasn't as big of a prospect, he didnt have the same luxury.
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gray is a nice weapon against teams that want to press (arkansas, west virginia) if only he had some semblance of a jumper
Yea, and i expect him to get better too. The young guys are gonna have to work, esp if Newman commits.
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