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Question for supporters of the death penalty
Posted on 12/19/14 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 6:54 pm
Non-supporters chime in as well, although it's likely a moot point, since you oppose the death penalty in all cases I assume.
Here's the question: Would you support the death penalty for crimes like the one Bernie Madoff perpetuated for 2 decades?
I just finished reading No One Would Listen, and what that a-hole did, and how many lives he absolutely destroyed is almost unimaginable. Reading testimony from some of his victims is absolutely heartbreaking. Not to mention, the suicides he's directly responsible for.
Here's the question: Would you support the death penalty for crimes like the one Bernie Madoff perpetuated for 2 decades?
I just finished reading No One Would Listen, and what that a-hole did, and how many lives he absolutely destroyed is almost unimaginable. Reading testimony from some of his victims is absolutely heartbreaking. Not to mention, the suicides he's directly responsible for.
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 6:59 pm to ZZTIGERS
No.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 6:59 pm to ZZTIGERS
No.
The only acts by a human that I consider worthy of the death penalty are premeditated murder and child rape.
The death penalty is for acts that are so unconscionable that it is beyond the justice system to punish adequately short of ending the life of one that commits them.
The only acts by a human that I consider worthy of the death penalty are premeditated murder and child rape.
The death penalty is for acts that are so unconscionable that it is beyond the justice system to punish adequately short of ending the life of one that commits them.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:01 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:Government sanctioned? No.
Here's the question: Would you support the death penalty for crimes like the one Bernie Madoff perpetuated for 2 decades?
A victim of his taking it upon his or herself to put him down? Yes.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:05 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:
Non-supporters chime in as well, although it's likely a moot point, since you oppose the death penalty in all cases I assume.
Here's the question: Would you support the death penalty for crimes like the one Bernie Madoff perpetuated for 2 decades?
I just finished reading No One Would Listen, and what that a-hole did, and how many lives he absolutely destroyed is almost unimaginable. Reading testimony from some of his victims is absolutely heartbreaking. Not to mention, the suicides he's directly responsible for.
No. Madoff's fraud was without question of great moral turpitude, but I can not support the idea of the state exacting blood for money under ordinary circumstances. He'll die in federal custody and is already paying a pretty steep price. He couldn't even attend the funerals of his only two sons. His family should have absolutely been left insolvent (they weren't) but unless he was directly responsible for someone's death, I would'n't support his execution.
ETA: And by definition, only one person is "directly responsible" for a suicide. You could melt everything I own down to shite and I ain't checking myself out. There's always something else to do.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:10 pm to ZZTIGERS
No. Essentially he stole money from a lot of people. As bad as it was, he didn't take anyone's life. He will die in jail.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:17 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:
Would you support the death penalty for crimes like the one Bernie Madoff perpetuated for 2 decades?
No.
His crimes do not fit the death penalty.
The death penalty is the ultimate punishment and you have to commit the ultimate crime to be eligible for it.
The ultimate crime is premeditated murder in cold blood. If you take a life that was not in self defense and actually planned ahead for it, you deserve to die at the hands of the state as soon as possible.
Now, I would have no problem with a victim of his getting revenge on him or being shanked in prison by another inmate.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:17 pm to ZZTIGERS
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:42 pm to ZZTIGERS
Eye for an eye only.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:15 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:Not a chance.
Would you support the death penalty for crimes like the one Bernie Madoff perpetuated for 2 decades?
quote:Indeed.
I just finished reading No One Would Listen, and what that a-hole did, and how many lives he absolutely destroyed is almost unimaginable.
However, lest your heart break too much for the "victims", you should know most were far from being pure and innocent themselves. Madoff's was a Jewish Fund. Others were fairly unwelcome. The fund's exclusion of gentile involvement made his program more attractive to Jewish investors, not less. That speaks for itself.
Further, while many life savings were lost, the quantitation of loss was not often stated as the amount invested, but rather the total amount investors thought they had accrued.
Never will forget a lady crying in front of cameras saying she'd "invested $3.5Million with Madoff, and had lost it all."
Translation?
She invested $250K with Madoff in 1989. She thought it's value was escalating at >13%/yr. So after 20 yrs, she thought she had >$3M invested. She never had anything close to that.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:43 pm to ZZTIGERS
No. Why:
1) Life
2) Property
1) Life
2) Property
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:09 pm to ZZTIGERS
I've sort of grown against the government sanctioned death penalty a little. I say we just let the convicted criminals go tagged with a GPS tracker of some sort. Locations of all criminals are publicly available online, along with their list of crimes. Whatever happens to the frickers........happens. 
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:14 pm to ZZTIGERS
quote:
Would you support the death penalty for crimes like the one Bernie Madoff perpetuated for 2 decades?
Would I actively support it? No
Would I be upset or fight it if he were sentenced to death? Also no
I don't place the same value on human life that most due, so I generally become indifferent to the fates of people who cause direct intentional harm to their fellow man especially on such large and horrendous scales.
There have been 100-110 billion people to walk this earth over the last 250,000 years or so, Madoff is just one of them. And is a really shitty one.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:27 pm to ZZTIGERS
I say no, but if the people he bilked voted to off him, I wouldn't care.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:49 pm to ZZTIGERS
Yes
Posted on 12/20/14 at 7:25 am to ZZTIGERS
quote:
Would you support the death penalty for crimes like the one Bernie Madoff perpetuated for 2 decades?
No. It should be reserved for the most heinous of crimes - particularly murder and, perhaps, aggravated rape of children.
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how many lives he absolutely destroyed is almost unimaginable.
A bunch of greedy people who believed a pack of lies are not terribly sympathetic to me - now, I have sympathy for the family members of decisionmakers who lost everything (and the charities and other institutions that got taken via an intermediary).
But people like Madoff can only fool people who want to be fooled.
This post was edited on 12/20/14 at 7:30 am
Posted on 12/20/14 at 7:56 am to ZZTIGERS
Yes, I would support it but I would also support him taking his own life b/c he had some self respect. Unfortunately that isn't the case here b/c he is a tPOS.
We do business in Saudi Arabia on occasion and I was talking to one of our guys there yesterday about a similar subject. In SA, if I were to kill your father and you were below 18 years old at the time and I was sentenced to death, when you turned 18, the court would ask you if you'd like to pardon me or not. If you did pardon me, I would be set free almost immediately. If you didn't, off with my head. I'm not sure if I'm in favor of that or not considering 18 year old kids don't exactly have the best logic nor mindset at such a young age.
We do business in Saudi Arabia on occasion and I was talking to one of our guys there yesterday about a similar subject. In SA, if I were to kill your father and you were below 18 years old at the time and I was sentenced to death, when you turned 18, the court would ask you if you'd like to pardon me or not. If you did pardon me, I would be set free almost immediately. If you didn't, off with my head. I'm not sure if I'm in favor of that or not considering 18 year old kids don't exactly have the best logic nor mindset at such a young age.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 8:51 am to ZZTIGERS
Maybe.
I think that if there is a death penalty in place it should be applied in more cases than murder. Why should those convicted of attempted first degree murder not get it because they were a lout shot? They're equally as reprehensible and dangerous as one who was successful.
I think that if there is a death penalty in place it should be applied in more cases than murder. Why should those convicted of attempted first degree murder not get it because they were a lout shot? They're equally as reprehensible and dangerous as one who was successful.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 9:07 am to ZZTIGERS
Some people just need killing. What they did is secondary
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:02 am to ZZTIGERS
Put him in a room with everyone he fleeced. No weapons. After an hour if he's still alive take him back to his cell.
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