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re: Every time you see me (last words of EG)
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Depends on what you mean by "this." I feel like cops were tsking people down and putting chokeholds on them within the law since before the USA was formed.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 11:16 pm
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:18 pm to baybeefeetz
Well, "this" IMO would be violent reactions to minor infractions. We err on the side of keeping cops safe and give them a lot of leeway because we have been fed a line of shite that innocent people would never get that kind of treatment.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:25 pm to CherryGarciaMan
This one is a travesty.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:26 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Small government "law and order" conservatives don't believe in appropriately scaled justice. They believe in UTTER DEFERENCE to the law.
only a true fricking idiot thinks he knows what others believe
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
But if a guy refuses to give you his hands to cuff him you can't bring him down by the neck? I honestly don't have a problem with it. This guy, however, was fragile, way more fragile than he seemed.
Eta not only do I subjectively not have a problem with it, I think it is objectively reasonable for a cop I do it.
Eta not only do I subjectively not have a problem with it, I think it is objectively reasonable for a cop I do it.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:30 pm to baybeefeetz
The problem I am having with all of these threads is that several people seem to think they have to pick a side and blindly support that side
Why is it not possible that the guy should have complied with a lawful arrest
And the officers may have gone overboard
Why is that nacceptable?
Why is it not possible that the guy should have complied with a lawful arrest
And the officers may have gone overboard
Why is that nacceptable?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:31 pm to Chappy
That is a fine way for civilians discussing it to conclude, but what the prosecutor and grand jury was bound to do requires precision.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:33 pm to baybeefeetz
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That is a fine way for civilians discussing it to conclude, but what the prosecutor and grand jury was bound to do requires precision.
Yes, exactly
It just bothers me that people get all up in arms about something they don't understand and seem to not want to understand
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:39 pm to baybeefeetz
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But if a guy refuses to give you his hands to cuff him
Why would a cop in that situation feel the need to cuff someone?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:43 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Why would a cop in that situation feel the need to cuff someone?
Because they were arresting him.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:44 pm to SammyTiger
How is that hard for people to grasp? Just because you don't HAVE to arrest somebody doesn't mean it's wrong to.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:46 pm to baybeefeetz
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But if a guy refuses to give you his hands to cuff him you can't bring him down by the neck? I honestly don't have a problem with it. This guy, however, was fragile, way more fragile than he seemed. Eta not only do I subjectively not have a problem with it, I think it is objectively reasonable for a cop I do it.
Death from chest or neck compression isn't really that uncommon in police custody. That's why departments are trying to institute policies that address it. Not because they care about people dying. They just hate getting sued.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:49 pm to Chappy
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The problem I am having with all of these threads is that several people seem to think they have to pick a side and blindly support that side Why is it not possible that the guy should have complied with a lawful arrest And the officers may have gone overboard Why is that nacceptable?
It is possible to say both. But the police are supposed to be accountable for their actions. They rarely are. The guy would surely have faced consequences for resisting arrest if he would have lived. The police officer hasn't really faced any lasting consequences for killing a guy. That's the difference. Both sides are bound by the law. One side has consequences for not following it. The other doesn't.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:54 pm to the808bass
What he did could only barely be called resisting arrest. He had his hands up and was asking the officer not to touch him.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:56 pm to Roger Klarvin
That is resistance. Yeah the cop could stand there and wait until I guess the guy collapsed from hunger.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:00 am to baybeefeetz
It is resistance.
It is not violent resistance which requires the use of a sometimes lethal tactic.
It is not violent resistance which requires the use of a sometimes lethal tactic.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:00 am to Roger Klarvin
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What he did could only barely be called resisting arrest.
no that was pretty much standard resisting
i tell my clients all the time not to do that shite. you're going to be arrested regardless. don't give them a reason/avenue to frick up
it's just like people who like to get in fights. i tell those people all it takes is a random fall onto the wrong edge and they're facing manslaughter charges that will end what they consider a normal life.
this in no way is defending the decision...but garner clearly resisted arrest.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:03 am to baybeefeetz
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That is resistance.
Not in any meaningful way which would require the immediate use of physical force. He didn't try to attack anyone and didn't take off running. He literally did nothing to try and get away or hurt the officers.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
What was post 300K?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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no that was pretty much standard resisting
Then every person who has ever asked "why am I being arrested" was also resisting arrest. Technically true, but the connotation with which those who are defending the cops use the phrase is not what actually happened here. They want to produce the inherent, emotional response derived from the idea that we all immediately jump to when someone says a criminal was "resisting arrest": That they were trying to run away or physically resist by fighting back.
It's a dishonest way of lessening the blame on the officers here. It's the equivalent of a sensational headline that misleads readers from the get go.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 12:09 am
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