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Barack Obama, Ferguson, and the Evidence of Things Unsaid
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:29 pm
Ta-Nehisi Coates finally lit things up. He's the best contemporary writer we have, IMO.
Sorry, but he's mostly right with this screed. I understand that most white people simply aren't in a frame of mind to absorb these truths. You talk a lot about "accepting hard truths". Hopefully, one day you will look in the mirror and do so.
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Sorry, but he's mostly right with this screed. I understand that most white people simply aren't in a frame of mind to absorb these truths. You talk a lot about "accepting hard truths". Hopefully, one day you will look in the mirror and do so.
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Barack Obama is an earnest moderate. His instincts seem to lead him to the middle ground. For instance, he genuinely believes that there is more overlap between liberals and conservatives than generally admitted. On Monday he nodded toward the "deep distrust" that divides black and brown people from the police, and then pointed out that this was tragic because these are the communities most in need of "good policing." Whatever one makes of this pat framing, it is not a cynical centrism—he believes in the old wisdom of traditional America. This is his strength. This is his weakness. But Obama's moderation is as sincere and real as his blackness, and the latter almost certainly has granted him more knowledge of his country than he generally chooses to share.
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In 2008, Barack Obama's task was to capture the presidency of a country which historically has despised the community from which he hails. This was no mean feat. But more importantly, it was not unprecedented. And just as Léon Blum's prime ministership did not lead to a post-anti-Semitic France, Barack Obama's presidency should never have been expected to lead to a post-racist America. As it happens, there is nothing about a congenitally racist country that necessarily prevents an individual leader hailing from the pariah class. The office does not care where the leader originates, so long as the leader ultimately speaks for the state. On Monday night, watching Obama both be black and speak for the state was torturous. One got the sense of a man fatigued by people demanding he say something both eminently profound and only partially true. This must be tiring.
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What clearly cannot be said is that violence and nonviolence are tools, and that violence—like nonviolence—sometimes works. "Property damage and looting impede social progress," Jonathan Chait wrote Tuesday. He delivered this sentence with unearned authority. Taken together, Property damage and looting have been the most effective tools of social progress for white people in America. It describes everything from enslavement to Jim Crow laws to lynching to red-lining.
"Property damage and looting"—perhaps more than nonviolence—has also been a significant tool in black "social progress." In 1851, when Shadrach Minkins was snatched off the streets of Boston under the authority of the Fugitive Slave Law, abolitionists "stormed the courtroom" and "overpowered the federal guards" to set Minkins free. That same year, when slaveholders came to Christiana, Pennsylvania, to reclaim their property under the same law, they were not greeted with prayer and hymnals but with gunfire.
"Property damage and looting" is a fairly accurate description of the emancipation of black people in 1865, who only five years earlier constituted some $4 billion in property. The Civil Rights Bill of 1964 is inseparable from the threat of riots. The housing bill of 1968—the most proactive civil-rights legislation on the books—is a direct response to the riots that swept American cities after King was killed. Violence, lingering on the outside, often backed nonviolence during the civil-rights movement. "We could go into meetings and say, 'Well, either deal with us or you will have Malcolm X coming into here,'" said SNCC organizer Gloria Richardson. "They would get just hysterical. The police chief would say, 'Oh no!'"
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:35 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Barack Obama is an earnest moderate.
Yeah, no.
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What clearly cannot be said is that violence and nonviolence are tools, and that violence—like nonviolence—sometimes works.
Enjoy that success.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:39 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Barack Obama is an earnest moderate
Lost all credibility with this statement.
No sense in reading the rest.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:42 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Barack Obama is an earnest moderate.
No, he's just like Bush 43, a flaming nanny state big gov't liberal.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:45 pm to Big Scrub TX
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But Obama's moderation is as sincere and real as his blackness
He's only half black. So that means his moderation is only halfway real...that would explain his halfass job that he has done since taking office.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:46 pm to Big Scrub TX
and brown people from the police
Trying for inclusion for voting I see.
Trying for inclusion for voting I see.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:50 pm to infantry1026
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Lost all credibility with this statement.
No sense in reading the rest.
The claim that Obama is a real moderate is so feeble and stupid, it's hard not to interpret it as an overt trolling attempt. If you can't get past that part...
As for the rest, all he's saying is that violence and property theft can be quite effective for achieving some goals, and one has to assume, such activity should therefore apparently be embraced.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:51 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I understand that most white people simply aren't in a frame of mind to absorb these truths.
Meh - this is the writer's truth - sort of a classic liberal's wishful thinking. BHO is a very far left - I'll just say it, he's a Marxist-lite. He does not sincerely believe in the exceptionalism of the American system, its people or its culture. This makes him ill-suited to bridge the gap between the country we are and the country we aspire to be - honestly, the liberal ideal of America is embodied by the television series Star Trek (the original series), as well as its sequel series - a technologically advanced, yet ethnically diverse group of idealists, striving to improve the condition of the human race.
But, Obama does not take lessons - at least in practice - from Washington, Lincoln, FDR or Reagan - he is only superficially informed by JFK (and to a lesser degree Clinton), speaking the words, using the language, emulating the tone, yet failing at the moment of execution or hard choices.
No - he is more informed by his background as a community organizer, an agitator (albeit a mild one), his battleground is the whim of the mob, a left-of-left agenda of fundamental transformation - not repair from within the confines of our powerful foundation and fundamentally optimistic, problem solving spirit (the one that makes us unique in all of human history, despite our flaws) - but revolution as envisioned by his true influences and mentors, Alinsky, Ayers, Jeremiah Wright and Frank Marshall Davis.
He is a divider because that's what agitators and revolutionaries do - divide and conquer. He's a radical because does not see a wonderful country with minor flaws - he sees a system, rotten to the core that needs to be discarded and replaced.
And before you say anything, this is about far, far more than the color of BHO's skin. He has as many, or more, radical influences from his white family, and white mentors/influences as he does black ones. If he were more MLK, Lincoln and the last version of Malcolm X, and less Saul Alinsky and Frank Marshall Davis - we would be a whole, whole lot better off.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:52 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:There's no such thing. Things unsaid are not evidence of anything.
the Evidence of Things Unsaid
quote:I honestly couldn't figure it out from the material you quoted, so why not just give us the bullet points. What are the truths you want us to accept?
I understand that most white people simply aren't in a frame of mind to absorb these truths. You talk a lot about "accepting hard truths". Hopefully, one day you will look in the mirror and do so.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:14 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:middle class Hawaii?
In 2008, Barack Obama's task was to capture the presidency of a country which historically has despised the community from which he hails.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:15 pm to L.A.
No matter how many lies this filthy scumbag gets CAUGHT telling, the Kool-Aid drinking leftist whackos (see Rex, Scrub, VOR, FaTuba, VB, etc.) always believe his next lie - no matter how f*cking obvious the lie is. It's truly f*cking amazing.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:26 pm to bradwieser
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In 2008, Barack Obama's task was to capture the presidency of a country which historically has despised the community from which he hails.
middle class Hawaii?
Harvard And Columbia grad as well we all despise?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:32 pm to Big Scrub TX
Coates & Scrub; DR either one
Only worse combo I can think of would be DS & Chomsky
Only worse combo I can think of would be DS & Chomsky
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:51 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Obama's moderation is as sincere and real as his blackness,
So he's only half sincere...got it.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:55 pm to bradwieser
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middle class Hawaii?
The mean streets of the Big Island, brah
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:59 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I understand that most white people simply aren't in a frame of mind to absorb these truths.
Stereotype much? You are just as bad as the worst racist.
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