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Posted on 10/17/14 at 2:33 pm to FT
It happens a lot, and I'm from a community where it was pretty common. I know a handful of well adjusted, very bright homeschooled kids. The remainder are about the same as kids I know who went to bad Christian schools, where the focuses, in order, were 1) faith 2) not being public school and 3) education.
It's viable, but unfortunately there are a lot of parents who are not competent enough to do a very good job.
It's viable, but unfortunately there are a lot of parents who are not competent enough to do a very good job.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 2:37 pm to Pettifogger
The vast majority in our homeschool community (over 3000 in our county alone) is made up of families in which the parents are very well educated and hold well-paying jobs that allow the other parent to stay home and homeschool. In our family the parent who works has a PHD in physics and the homeschooling parent has a master's in international business. Friend family has parent who works also with PHD in Physics and homeschooling parent has master's in math. Other friend family has parent who works who is an engineering professor at Univ. of MD, and homeschooling parent has degree in Computer Science. I'll stop here......
Posted on 10/17/14 at 2:46 pm to conservativewifeymom
You gave me 3 or 4 examples out of 3000. I'm with you, I'm not anti-homeschooling. But a lot of the time it is in the faith-based interest of the parents, not in the education-based interest of the kids. I grew up all around it. It varies greatly, as do the outcomes.
FWIW, I haven't seen any "disasters" from homeschooling. I have seen products of homeschooling who are far behind their peers, but typically parents who are willing to put in the effort for homeschooling are at least attentive, which is probably (and sadly) better than average.
FWIW, I haven't seen any "disasters" from homeschooling. I have seen products of homeschooling who are far behind their peers, but typically parents who are willing to put in the effort for homeschooling are at least attentive, which is probably (and sadly) better than average.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 2:54 pm to Pettifogger
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not in the education-based interest of the kids.
If public education was doing a bang-up job, there would be a better argument against homeschooling. As the situation stands, there's very little to argue against homeschooling.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 2:55 pm to Pettifogger
quote:This is a great explanation.
bad Christian schools, where the focuses, in order, were 1) faith 2) not being public school and 3) education.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 2:58 pm to Zach
Each state has its own requirements.
I'm not familiar with Louisiana's. I am somewhat familiar with Texas' requirements (as I've known numerous homeschooling families) and they are quite loose.
We have no requirement for the parents to be certified as teachers. (Given what I've seen on the OT about some teachers, it appears the only requirement is to be good in bed.)
And, the only notification to a school district is that, if the student is enrolled, the district is simply given a letter of the parents' withdrawal of said student from the district. (NOTE: One of the biggest issues is that the district will try to make the parents comply with other policies (such as providing planned cirriculum) that are not required by law.) If the parents' plan to home school from Day 1, then no notification is required ever.
I'm not familiar with Louisiana's. I am somewhat familiar with Texas' requirements (as I've known numerous homeschooling families) and they are quite loose.
We have no requirement for the parents to be certified as teachers. (Given what I've seen on the OT about some teachers, it appears the only requirement is to be good in bed.)
And, the only notification to a school district is that, if the student is enrolled, the district is simply given a letter of the parents' withdrawal of said student from the district. (NOTE: One of the biggest issues is that the district will try to make the parents comply with other policies (such as providing planned cirriculum) that are not required by law.) If the parents' plan to home school from Day 1, then no notification is required ever.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 3:05 pm to the808bass
quote:Meh. They realized they shouldn't have tried it after that year.
Your parents sound shitty.
No offense.
Graduated HS with honors.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 3:05 pm to Quidam65
Texas IS known as one of the most lax states in terms of homeschool reporting requirements. There is a spectrum of reporting requirements and Texas is at one end while other states such as New York, Pennsylvania, etc. are at the other end. My own state (Maryland) is considered to be somewhere in the middle and that's just fine with me. In PA a homeschooling family's portfolio has to be verified by a certified teacher, among other very strict requirements. Of course, human ingenuity being what it is, there are ways to get around these requirements (such as getting your best friend Betty who just happens to be a teacher to summarily sign off on your work). In all honesty, most of these reporting requirements, no matter how draconian, are just bureaucratic hoops through which families have to jump for very little good reason.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 3:11 pm to the808bass
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If public education was doing a bang-up job, there would be a better argument against homeschooling. As the situation stands, there's very little to argue against homeschooling.
Homeschooling is not "universally good" just like it isn't universally bad. It's not for every family, parent or child. Not all kids benefit from homeschooling. Not all parents or communities do a good job recreating the social interaction traditional school provides.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 3:16 pm to Pettifogger
I think socialization 1) overrated as a goal of education and 2) not accomplished any better through public than private educational means.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 3:24 pm to the808bass
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I think socialization 1) overrated as a goal of education and 2) not accomplished any better through public than private educational means.
I don't think socialization is a goal of traditional education. It should be a goal of parenting. And I don't disagree that private education can match or surpass socialization that is provided by public schooling.
An anecdote, which has limited value: As mentioned, I know a ton of kids who were homeschooled, went to "bad" Christian schools, or a combination of both. They mostly hung out together in church-related activities. None of them went to prominent colleges. One of them eventually went to a top tier grad school, and his parents were probably the most qualified of all the homeschool folks I knew. The rest went to a mix of decent enough Christian schools (Samford, Liberty) and really, really bad Christian colleges (Pensacola Christian).
In my limited experience, I think they were all more than likely to put faith over quality of education, and very few ended up living elsewhere. None of these are necessarily bad things, but it happened in such consistent fashion that it led me to believe they viewed their options in a very limited way. I would say about half to 2/3 would have had great difficulty socializing well with my high school friends, although they were for the large part very decent people.
Anyway, my point isn't to bash homeschool. But so many conservatives and Christians act like it's the answer to every question, and it simply isn't. I may homeschool my kids, who knows, but I don't want my children to think they can only relate to church friends and that their only options are Regent University and Liberty, at least on account of a choice I made for them.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 3:27 pm to the808bass
My daughter has a friend that is home schooled and the only issue I ever see in regards to socialization is with conflict resolution. Granted, she's only 7 and her lack of conflict resolution skills may not even be attributable to being homeschooled, but she's the only one of my daughter's friends that struggles with it. She doesn't get her way, she immediately goes to the closest adult to tattle or complain or whatever. She's otherwise pretty well rounded.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 4:07 pm to Pettifogger
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Pensacola Christian
First of all, Frick this place with a red-hot poker.
I have a friend who has been a vocal advocate for homeschooling. She recently put her kids in private school and out came the long knives. You're absolutely right that it's not a panacea. And both my kids are in private christian schools which value education as their primary task but do so through a Christian worldview.
Posted on 10/17/14 at 4:08 pm to The Spleen
My brother's kids are homeschooled and they're just weird. But so is he and he has managed to lead a successful and fulfilled life. But computer programming isn't for everyone.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 10:24 am to Qwerty
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I am still annoyed though because the assumption is a certified public school teacher is more qualified to teach my children, or at least we need their approval
Without knowing you, assuming you are more qualified, you are the exception rather than the rule. Most people are not equipped to provide a comprehensive education to their children.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 12:58 pm to brgfather129
It seems a lot of folks in this thread interacted with homeschool in the 80's and 90's and are still assuming that is what homeschool is in the present. My wife homeschools and we are involved in a group that does Classical Education. I was reluctant at first. But I find that there are many reasons people homeschool these days and I think giving your kids the best education is becoming primary. Also, when it comes to socialization it is a two way street, both positive and negative influences.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 2:43 pm to brgfather129
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Without knowing you, assuming you are more qualified, you are the exception rather than the rule. Most people are not equipped to provide a comprehensive education to their children.
I somewhat disagree. It may be true that most people wouldn't do a good job, but in my experience most of those who choose to do so, do a good job. Those who would not do a good job usually would rather send them to public school. There are pros and cons to homeschool, but most of the parent homeschoolers I know are at least as, and in many cases more qualified than most of the teachers that I had. All Have college degrees. Some (like myself) have post graduate degrees. And none of them were education majors, which is good thing. I have been tutoring/teaching my entire life at various stages, throughout school, college, med school, and residency. But still I'm not considered qualified to be a public school teacher. It's crazy.
Plus there is the benefit of being able to choose what we deem to be the best materials, and to give individualized, focused teaching.
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Posted on 10/18/14 at 3:03 pm to Qwerty
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I somewhat disagree. It may be true that most people wouldn't do a good job, but in my experience most of those who choose to do so, do a good job. Those who would not do a good job usually would rather send them to public school. There are pros and cons to homeschool, but most of the parent homeschoolers I know are at least as, and in many cases more qualified than most of the teachers that I had. All Have college degrees. Some (like myself) have post graduate degrees. And none of them were education majors, which is good thing. I have been tutoring/teaching my entire life at various stages, throughout school, college, med school, and residency. But still I'm not considered qualified to be a public school teacher. It's crazy.
Plus there is the benefit of being able to choose what we deem to be the best materials, and to give individualized, focused teaching.
Very well said. I've seen the same thing in our two years of homeschooling.
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