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re: Self-Loathing & The Psychology of South Louisiana
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:01 pm to Lsupimp
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:01 pm to Lsupimp
A lot of that is very true. I've lived in other states and overseas and what I see here is pretty damn unique and depressing sometimes.
You left out one element though. The "jinx" belief. A lot of people don't want to say or even think nice things about LSU because it might jinx them.
You left out one element though. The "jinx" belief. A lot of people don't want to say or even think nice things about LSU because it might jinx them.
This post was edited on 10/5/14 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:01 pm to kbmaverick
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Over/under on number of days that kbmaverick spent inside an LSU classroom?
So funny when the under educated start trying to guess who has done what in their life.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:02 pm to 90proofprofessional
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seems pretty clear that the entire thread, baselessly shitting on a culture, was precipitated by today's 100% miles-inspired negativity.
There is nothing baseless about it. Is it not telling that the majority of people in this thread agree with it? Just because you take pride in your culture doesn't mean that there aren't any negative aspects to it. That's the biggest problem with this psychology. People are unwilling to see two sides of an argument as valid sides, and if someone doesn't agree with you, they're stupid and an enemy.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:03 pm to Houstiger
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Auburn played for a national championship last year. They look like they will be in a position to play for another one. We have a young team which will improve this season. Do adjustments need to be made? Of course. But your self worth shouldn't be based on the performance of a college football team.
Funny you bring auburn up...what happened to their coach that won a national title?
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:03 pm to kbmaverick
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Pimp, any day you wish to compare what I do to what you do, what I accomplish to what you do.Step off of your porch and learn something one day.
Thanks for demonstrating the premise of the thread so perfectly.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:07 pm to kbmaverick
Defensive man says this first:
Defensive man says this second:
Egads.
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Pimp, any day you wish to compare what I do to what you do, what I accomplish to what you do.
Defensive man says this second:
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So funny when the under educated start trying to guess who has done what in their life.
Egads.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:08 pm to Lsupimp
Pimp: Again assumptions make an arse of you. One day you will learn "maybe".
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:09 pm to Lsupimp
Pimp you know it wasn't any different pre-internet now the morons have a outlet.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:10 pm to dr smartass phd
So funny when someone has a differing opinion they are a moron and are attacked. No wonder we are in the condition we are in.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:15 pm to Topwater Trout
Good point about Chizik. If this team completely falls apart this season AND next season, I would expect the same result.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:17 pm to Dijkstra
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Just because you take pride in your culture doesn't mean that there aren't any negative aspects to it.
When did I make the claim that there aren't?
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Is it not telling that the majority of people in this thread agree with it?
Well, I have no idea who these people agreeing are. And the agreement pretty much looks like "yeah something something mean haters." So no, it's not telling of much at all.
Go start a thread on the poliboard, saying something subtly disparaging and generic about american blacks. would the same standard apply as evidence that the accusation is meaningful?
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People are unwilling to see two sides of an argument as valid sides, and if someone doesn't agree with you, they're stupid and an enemy.
Umm, yeah, I guess this happens sometimes. Not relevant to this discussion. The OP's incoherent and very-poorly-supported premise is the problem.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:18 pm to Lsupimp
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. If you grew up in South Louisiana you know what I'm talking about instinctively. I
Yep
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:34 pm to 90proofprofessional
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Go start a thread on the poliboard, saying something subtly disparaging and generic about american blacks. would the same standard apply as evidence that the accusation is meaningful?
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incoherent and very-poorly-supported premise
As this post and this poster demonstrates, the tendency is to be Defensive instead of Reflective. Be defensive, change the subject, make personal insults, whatever it takes to discredit an easily-observed cultural behavior. But never do any honest self-reflection. And while the vast majority agree with the observation because they see it every day living here, just make it personal,and shut down that portion of your brain that would consider any such observation anything other than "cultural slander".
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:36 pm to Lsupimp
Spot on assessment. Growing up in the 90's in baton rouge you would see more kids wearing miami, Notre dame and Florida State gear than you would see LSU and we are in Baton Rouge.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:38 pm to Lsupimp
I mostly agree with the OP's premise.
How does it relate to LSU football, tigerdroppings, etc? We all have our opinions.
I think a good parallel is Bud Bissinger's description of "Id" fans in his 1994 book "Bringing the Heat."
LSU has a lot of "Id" fans ... those who have the aforementioned "self loathing" and thus find most of their self-worth in the teams they root for. Consequently, when things get bad, their personal life becomes traumatic.
BB described it thus:
Richie and Norman and the players preferred fans who rooted rationally, who showed up Sundays decked in green and silver and cheered their heads off and then--buoyed by victory or disappointed by defeat--returned to their lives refreshed, pleased with the memory of an exciting afternoon.
Norman was convinced most fans were like this. But the most visible and vocal fans were those whose self-worth seemed to hang on the Eagles' fortunes, fans for whom winning was not just a preferred outcome on a fall afternoon, but something owed, by the players, the coaches, ultimately by Norman Braman himself, presumably in return for the cost of their tickets, or for the hardest cases, a Philadelphia birthright.
The Id-people came out on game day, thousands of them, for some primitive venting ritual. They howled abuse and hatred at the enemy--anyone they perceived as an obstacle to victory. They reveled in the violence of football, would cheer when hated opponents (or sometimes hated members of the home team) were carried bleeding, mangled or unconscious from the field.
They were like the throngs who cheered the dismemberment of Christians in Roman coliseums or who turned public hangings into social events. The sheer unthinking brutality of these fans connected vaguely with Norman's Jewishness, summoning disturbing ancestral echoes of murderous mobs, of pogroms, and Kristallnacht.
LSU has a lot of ID fans--with a nuance. We don't have a lot who show up at the stadium screaming these days, they are more the spoiled type Bissinger described. They show up on message boards more than the stadium these days.
I have to admit two things regarding this psychological paradigm:
1) The ferociousness of Tiger Stadium in its glory days was due in large part to this south Louisiana self-loathing Pimp described. But combine that "underdog" feeling when Ohio State, Notre Dame or Southern Cal came to town, with alcohol freely snuck in the stadium and LSU not being on TV every week ... and you had the most intimidating stadium in the country.
Our fans don't have the sense of "going to war" anymore, but as a group we sure feel entitled.
2) I'll admit that--while I don't think I'm a pure "Id fan," I am indeed more than the casual fan who can walk away from a loss unaffected.
How does it relate to LSU football, tigerdroppings, etc? We all have our opinions.
I think a good parallel is Bud Bissinger's description of "Id" fans in his 1994 book "Bringing the Heat."
LSU has a lot of "Id" fans ... those who have the aforementioned "self loathing" and thus find most of their self-worth in the teams they root for. Consequently, when things get bad, their personal life becomes traumatic.
BB described it thus:
Richie and Norman and the players preferred fans who rooted rationally, who showed up Sundays decked in green and silver and cheered their heads off and then--buoyed by victory or disappointed by defeat--returned to their lives refreshed, pleased with the memory of an exciting afternoon.
Norman was convinced most fans were like this. But the most visible and vocal fans were those whose self-worth seemed to hang on the Eagles' fortunes, fans for whom winning was not just a preferred outcome on a fall afternoon, but something owed, by the players, the coaches, ultimately by Norman Braman himself, presumably in return for the cost of their tickets, or for the hardest cases, a Philadelphia birthright.
The Id-people came out on game day, thousands of them, for some primitive venting ritual. They howled abuse and hatred at the enemy--anyone they perceived as an obstacle to victory. They reveled in the violence of football, would cheer when hated opponents (or sometimes hated members of the home team) were carried bleeding, mangled or unconscious from the field.
They were like the throngs who cheered the dismemberment of Christians in Roman coliseums or who turned public hangings into social events. The sheer unthinking brutality of these fans connected vaguely with Norman's Jewishness, summoning disturbing ancestral echoes of murderous mobs, of pogroms, and Kristallnacht.
LSU has a lot of ID fans--with a nuance. We don't have a lot who show up at the stadium screaming these days, they are more the spoiled type Bissinger described. They show up on message boards more than the stadium these days.
I have to admit two things regarding this psychological paradigm:
1) The ferociousness of Tiger Stadium in its glory days was due in large part to this south Louisiana self-loathing Pimp described. But combine that "underdog" feeling when Ohio State, Notre Dame or Southern Cal came to town, with alcohol freely snuck in the stadium and LSU not being on TV every week ... and you had the most intimidating stadium in the country.
Our fans don't have the sense of "going to war" anymore, but as a group we sure feel entitled.
2) I'll admit that--while I don't think I'm a pure "Id fan," I am indeed more than the casual fan who can walk away from a loss unaffected.
This post was edited on 10/5/14 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:43 pm to Lsupimp
Lsupimp,
You nailed it. I am from there but have lived all over the country. It is true - and I love Louisiana.
You need to write more on this, actually. We need to be more self-aware.
You nailed it. I am from there but have lived all over the country. It is true - and I love Louisiana.
You need to write more on this, actually. We need to be more self-aware.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:44 pm to Lsupimp
LSUpimp:
30444 posts. At one minute per post average that is 21 days. Why don't you come cut my grass if you have nothing else to do?
30444 posts. At one minute per post average that is 21 days. Why don't you come cut my grass if you have nothing else to do?
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:45 pm to Lsupimp
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As this post and this poster demonstrates, the tendency is to be Defensive instead of Reflective. Be defensive, change the subject, make personal insults
If one can relate to the misanthropy you accuse an entire culture of, you are, as I said, an awful person. I cannot, and I think you are projecting. If that's a personal insult, so be it. Your generalization in the OP is of course every bit as personal and every bit as much an insult.
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whatever it takes to discredit an easily-observed cultural behavior. But never do any honest self-reflection.
I am in no need of it here. For the third time, I cannot relate to the feelings/views you have accused me and others of.
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And while the vast majority agree with the observation because they see it every day living here, just make it personal,and shut down that portion of your brain that would consider any such observation anything other than "cultural slander".
Nothing has shut down, man. You have given me nothing to consider. The only thing that needs to be considered was why this insult was needed on the Tiger Rant.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:46 pm to Lsupimp
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Self-Loathing & The Psychology of South Louisiana
I think some parts of South La. are worse than others, but yes, I agree with most of what you say.
And yes, my neighbors all of a sudden become Alabama fans in 2008 just to spite others.
ETA: When I lived in Dallas for 3 months in 2005, I was surprised how friendly people were.
This post was edited on 10/5/14 at 1:48 pm
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