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re: Self-Loathing & The Psychology of South Louisiana
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:49 pm to cyogi
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:49 pm to cyogi
And frankly why does any of this matter. If you don't like where you live leave. I have lived in other countries during my time and you should respect cultures, not try to tear them down and point out what is wrong. None of this will affect one single thing in my life.
Mission accomplished. Packing for early trip in morning to Korea.
Mission accomplished. Packing for early trip in morning to Korea.
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:51 pm to AlaTiger
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You nailed it. I am from there but have lived all over the country. It is true - and I love Louisiana.
I keep seeing this, and I guess I'll chime in on it as well.
I have lived all over the country and spent significant time out of it. What the OP has loosely described, leaning heavily on the assumption that "if you lived in south LA you will instinctively understand," is not unique to south LA. One might argue that it is often a feature of cultures that are not affluent or something, but you're not describing much.
Folks from south LA deserve no singling out for whatever it is exactly that we're talking about.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:52 pm to kbmaverick
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30444 posts. At one minute per post average that is 21 days. Why don't you come cut my grass if you have nothing else to do?
Anybody else noting a certain quiet desperation in his posting-style?
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timlan2057
GREAT stuff. A bit of a different corollary on the same psychology. For instance Bama fans and LSU fans are very similar in some respects and very differnet in others. Bama fans damn sure aren't "self-loathing". They have a more cultish, North Korean element.
I've actually written here for years about the three fanbases I really "get"-LSU, Bama and Ole Miss. All insecure lunatics, just coming from a different cultural psychology that is specific to them. LSU is broader-and shared with a mentality that permeates the French-Catholic Southern part of our State.Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:55 pm to Lsupimp
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I've actually written here for years about the three fanbases I really "get"-LSU, Bama and Ole Miss. All insecure lunatics, just coming from a different cultural psychology that is specific to them. LSU is broader-and shared with a mentality that permeates the French-Catholic Southern part of our State.
You're saying you have a fleshed-out, developed diagnosis written somewhere? Why the need for the "some of you will instinctively understand" then? And where is this material?
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:56 pm to Lsupimp
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Anybody else noting a certain quiet desperation in his posting-style?
I am analytical and I know what you are about.. Have a nice day.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 1:57 pm to kbmaverick
PS. It did not take long either. You are a simple subject.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 2:01 pm to 90proofprofessional
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Your generalization in the OP is of course every bit as personal and every bit as much an insult
Except it's not.
You are just WAY TOO defensive. quote:Again, there's that psychology again. It's not an insult. It's a predominant observable cultural trait that is specific to our region. Numerous others here agree. We are who we are. You and Maverick prove the premise by having your jimmies rustled so easily and getting all confrontational (him more than you). And fyi-you don't get to decide what is "needed" on the board or not. If you don't like it and if it causes you to melt down all over your keyboard, maybe move on to a topic you find more agreeable. I don't start threads to upset your tranquil life, I start threads to knock around ideas with other Tiger fans.
why this insult was needed on the Tiger Rant
Posted on 10/5/14 at 2:08 pm to kbmaverick
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I have lived in other countries during my time and you should respect cultures, not try to tear them down and point out what is wrong. None of this will affect one single thing in my life.
Mission accomplished. Packing for early trip in morning to Korea.
South Korea you say ? South Korea?
You are like the gift that keeps on giving in this thread.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 2:08 pm to Lsupimp
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You are just WAY TOO defensive.
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prove the premise by having your jimmies rustled so easily
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If you don't like it and if it causes you to melt down all over your keyboard
Trying to get a rise in this fashion is only making you look childish, and your "case" continually weaker.
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I don't start threads to upset your tranquil life, I start threads to knock around ideas with other Tiger fans.
This thread is nothing more than an unprovoked jab at a significant subset of our fanbase. Why do this? It has nothing to do with the state of our program. If you wanted discussion on something like this and not to troll, you'd have put this elsewhere, and found that you'd have some people agree and some people not.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 2:09 pm to Lsupimp
We do not like traffic either, hate the traffic
Posted on 10/5/14 at 2:15 pm to Lsupimp
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If you grew up in South Louisiana you know what I'm talking about instinctively.
Yup.
Haven't read the whole thread and I'm sure you've caught a lot of hell, but there is a lot of "spot on" in your post.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 2:26 pm to Lsupimp
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South Korea you say ? South Korea?
He's not sure which one you can actually go to, so he decided to play it safe hoping no one would notice
Posted on 10/5/14 at 2:28 pm to 90proofprofessional
On page one you say:
On page five you say:
So which is it?
You took an observation, that by a three to one ratio people on this board seem to agree to, personalized it as an insult to you and yours, and proceeded to melt down for five pages.
Just accept it. Self-loathing in South Louisiana is like gumbo. It's ubiquitous. It's that need we have, mentioned in the OP, "to deny her neighbors in some way" that many of us have observed. It's a cultural trait. It's related to our French Catholic heritage. We see it. We recognize it in ourselves and in our neighbors. You don't. And for some, really ODD reason, it's EXTREMELY personal to you. You see it as an affront, as an attack, and you want to disparage me and my motives and make the topic go away. Which makes us think naturally, that you are one of those people who....well you know...
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i can't relate to what you or the OP are talking about, nor have i observed it in general
On page five you say:
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This thread is nothing more than an unprovoked jab at a significant subset of our fanbase.
So which is it?
You took an observation, that by a three to one ratio people on this board seem to agree to, personalized it as an insult to you and yours, and proceeded to melt down for five pages.
Just accept it. Self-loathing in South Louisiana is like gumbo. It's ubiquitous. It's that need we have, mentioned in the OP, "to deny her neighbors in some way" that many of us have observed. It's a cultural trait. It's related to our French Catholic heritage. We see it. We recognize it in ourselves and in our neighbors. You don't. And for some, really ODD reason, it's EXTREMELY personal to you. You see it as an affront, as an attack, and you want to disparage me and my motives and make the topic go away. Which makes us think naturally, that you are one of those people who....well you know...
Posted on 10/5/14 at 2:31 pm to Lsupimp
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Lsupimp
Is this you?
Posted on 10/5/14 at 2:33 pm to Lsupimp
Been a fan since the late 60's, which means I'm built for pain. Seen worse, seen better...either way,
Posted on 10/5/14 at 2:38 pm to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
Nice work.Posted on 10/5/14 at 3:06 pm to 90proofprofessional
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You're saying you have a fleshed-out, developed diagnosis written somewhere? Why the need for the "some of you will instinctively understand" then? And where is this material?
Well, thanks for asking, as human psychology and sports (and any combination thereof are an interest of mine). So I dug up one about OLE MISS from the archives just so you would stop being so butthurt and see that I my observations aren't aimed at you:
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A certain percentage of their fan base are truly convinced that they represent some Southern ideal and fancy themselves to be southern Gentry. It's a weird lifetime attachment to the Fraternity/Sorority aesthetic, that normal people grow out of while still in college. They tend to be overwhelmingly materialistic and interested in projecting themselves in a certain way that reflects that overwhelming self-importance. They tend to condescend to those who don't "buy-in".
I see these people as a historical remnant of Northern loathing and disrespect and the regional abuse that they suffered for 100 years. They reacted through creating an exaggerated sense of Cultural defiance. Something was being "taken" from them, so they defended it. They didn't adjust well to cultural change, they fought it and adopted an exaggerated cartoon-version of who they were.
The Ole Miss "regular folks" tend to be really solid people. The whole Faulkner/Southern gothic/literate/racially-inclusive/working-man Ole Miss crowd are fine people. They probably see themselves more like most Southerners-as a little bit of the under-dog. I suppose the self-appointed Ole Miss uber-class annoys them much more than it annoys the rest of us.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 3:09 pm to Lsupimp
When Saban was at LSU he referred to it as LSU fans having the Catastrophe Syndrome.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 4:20 pm to LSURussian
Catastrophe Syndrome is definitely related to self-loathing, both being fear-based. The Catastrophe Syndrome people tend to be LSU fans scared of losing status. The Self-loathing people for the most part aren't really Tiger fans. They receive joy when LSU fans squirm and identify with our rivals to tweak us. They don't really want to succeed, they just want us to fail. I think a lot of The Catastrophe Syndrome people DO want LSU to succeed.
Posted on 10/5/14 at 4:43 pm to Lsupimp
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Self-loathing is part of the South Louisiana character . If you grew up in South Louisiana you know what I'm talking about instinctively. It has to do with French culture and Louisiana history. It has to do with being pushed-around , having Little Man's Disease. It's why half of every neighborhood in South Louisiana lives to troll the other half. It's why being a contrarian is so highly valued in South Louisiana culture.
When I was a kid it was people from say, Pointe Coupee Parish randomly pulling for Notre Dame and running down LSU, to the same thing now. I met a women this week that grew up in Baton Rouge, has ZERO connection to the University Of Alabama, and has two Bama flags in her yard, and sports a big Bama bumper sticker on her SUV. She knows less about college football or Alabama then you know about origami.She identifies with the flavor of the day to deny her neighbors in some way...and that is epidemic in South Louisiana. It's the psychology here. And right now it's time to get out the long knives . As a semi- outsider-someone from here, but not of here, I see it clearly.
I'm NOT telling anyone how to feel about Les Miles and LSU, I'm just dreading the whole soap opera that is about to unfold. The cannibalism part where everybody pulls out the long knives. All the malice everybody has for everybody else, and the way it's done for sport here, just wears my arse out.
One of the best post Ive ever seen on this site. Sums up Louisiana perfectly.
This post was edited on 10/5/14 at 4:44 pm
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