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Intellectual property when leaving a job....
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:01 pm
I got another job offer from a company that uses the same systems. My employer threatens to sue me if I take the job. I only signed a confidenality agreement. I'm not taking anything with me if I leave. What can be done to me?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:12 pm to PurpleHeart12
quote:Get a lawyer
My employer threatens to sue me if I take the job.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:26 pm to PurpleHeart12
Is this over a non compete clause or intellectual property? Non compete clauses usually not worth the paper they are written on, intellectual property can be a different can of worms.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:34 pm to LSU0358
I signed a confidiality agreement. And he said he was going to sue me because in the agreement it has intellectual property. I never signed a non compete clause.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:40 pm to PurpleHeart12
So you can never leave that job for a similar in that field? Sounds a little unreasonable.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:54 pm to southernelite
I think also think it's unreasonable. But I don't want to be in a legal battle if I don't have to.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:03 pm to PurpleHeart12
Intellectual property shouldn't exist. I'm just gonna leave that here. If I knew the boss, I would give him the biggest ear full. And tell him to go for it. Then sue him for litigation accusing me of something falsely (idk if that's even possible).
I hate when people act like they own the world. Free market should mean free market.
I hate when people act like they own the world. Free market should mean free market.
Posted on 9/27/14 at 8:35 am to PurpleHeart12
A few thoughts:
1) If I were you, I would have worked my last day at my current employer. Threatening to sue me over leaving has forever poisioned that working relationship. There is no going back on that one.
2) Are you forever supposed to work for this company? Are you in Louisiana? In LA, anyone can be fired, or can quit, any job for just about any reason.
3) I would think that if you left, and you did "steal" IP and use it in your new job, or if you took company information with you, then your soon to be former employer might have a cause of action. But simply changing jobs, I don't see how that would violate anything, unless you signed a contract for a term, which it does not appear you did.
4) Yes, he can sue you... anyone can sue anyone. Which means you have to defend it. If it comes to that, I'd file whatever needs to be filed to make him pay ALL your legal fees when this lawsuit is thrown out by the judge.
Good luck... sounds like your current boss is a real piece of work.
1) If I were you, I would have worked my last day at my current employer. Threatening to sue me over leaving has forever poisioned that working relationship. There is no going back on that one.
2) Are you forever supposed to work for this company? Are you in Louisiana? In LA, anyone can be fired, or can quit, any job for just about any reason.
3) I would think that if you left, and you did "steal" IP and use it in your new job, or if you took company information with you, then your soon to be former employer might have a cause of action. But simply changing jobs, I don't see how that would violate anything, unless you signed a contract for a term, which it does not appear you did.
4) Yes, he can sue you... anyone can sue anyone. Which means you have to defend it. If it comes to that, I'd file whatever needs to be filed to make him pay ALL your legal fees when this lawsuit is thrown out by the judge.
Good luck... sounds like your current boss is a real piece of work.
Posted on 9/27/14 at 2:52 pm to LSUFanHouston
I understand what your saying. But I'm not taking anything with me. Just the experience I have. I have no plans to train anyone or give the company any information on the equipment. I'm just going to be like the other 10 guys that have excepted the job. They have a set training program that I have to go thru.
Posted on 9/27/14 at 7:37 pm to LSUTigers00884
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Intellectual property shouldn't exist. I'm just gonna leave that here.
I don't think you've thought that one through.
Posted on 9/27/14 at 8:47 pm to PurpleHeart12
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I think also think it's unreasonable. But I don't want to be in a legal battle if I don't have to.
Neither does he. This is a weak threat. Even companies like Apple and Google with absolute armies of lawyers have problems with intellectual property cases.
They're absurdly difficult to uphold.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:45 am to FootballNostradamus
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Neither does he. This is a weak threat. Even companies like Apple and Google with absolute armies of lawyers have problems with intellectual property cases.
They're absurdly difficult to uphold.
this. its almost impossible to sue someone leaving a company to a competitor. Even with a non compete, which you don't have.
And general knowledge of systems would not be considered IP that you could sue over. If you implemented one of their business processes or gave away customer information, it might open you up. But again, almost impossible to prove.
He could sue you. If you can get a recording of him making this threat, and ask your new employer to indemnify you for any lawsuits you receive.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 9:47 pm to PurpleHeart12
Before you do anything, contact the employer that offered you the job explain the situation and give them a copy of what you signed. They'll almost definitely get sued as well and their insurer may advise them it's not worth the hassle to keep you as an employee. Then again, they may decide your worth it and agree to defend and indemnify you. This is the first thing I'd do so you don't get screwed twice. Just sayin, being jobless is tough in this economy. Not giving any career advice but your employer prob intends to pursue the claim regardless of what you signed. Those suits can get messy.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:04 am to Sigma
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Intellectual property shouldn't exist. I'm just gonna leave that here.
I don't think you've thought that one through.
Not even a little bit.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:45 am to Sigma
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I don't think you've thought that one through.
Lot of economic research on IP rights and whether patents stifle innovation.
I fall on the shorten patent and IP rights length but there are some major economic figures that support eliminating patents all together
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:35 am to williejameshuft
I plan on talking to the company that offered me the job about the situation. From most of the lawyers I have talked to, as long as I don't disclose information about the company I should be ok. But anyone can sue anyone so that is the only problem in this case. But it would be really hard for them to prove I disclosed any information. I'm also filing a complaint with the EEOC about the threat that was shown towards me. So maybe that will cool his jets.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:52 am to PurpleHeart12
I think this is smart, but, If I were you, I would do everything I could to get away from your current employer. I understand that if he is threatening you, that might be hard to do. It's like an abusive relationship.
I'm sorry you are having to go through this. How big a company do you work for currently? Is the boss also the owner?
I'm sorry you are having to go through this. How big a company do you work for currently? Is the boss also the owner?
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:18 pm to LSUFanHouston
Agree,that the current job sounds less than ideal. What kind of terrible manager threatens employees? Get away, quick as you can.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:29 pm to PurpleHeart12
Check to make sure you never sent any documents between your work and personal emails even if it was just to do work at home or something. If you leave, they'll probably run a forensic check on your computer (assuming you work for a larger, more profitable company) to see every email you sent and every document you downloaded off their servers. Generally, the comments above regarding enforceability of non-compete and non-disclosure agreements are correct, but competent attorneys should be able to spin a couple downloads and emails into a case for misappropriation of CI.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 9:00 pm to williejameshuft
I had no emails sent from work to personal. In fact I actually haven't used the system in question since it was totally redone and updated at the beginning of the year. I left today and the new job starts on Monday. I have talked to a few attorneys and they advised me to take the job and do not disclose any information about the old company and I should be good to go.
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