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Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:14 pm to Korkstand
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How can you possibly say, with a straight face, that Apple is "defining the market"
cause they are? Sure android is ahead right now, but apple is the one everyone pays attention to. iphone 6 is going to get more press coverage in 2 days when it launches than samsung has gotten for all of its phones in the last year.
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and then not allow someone to say that Apple "desperately" needs to do something about their rapidly diminishing market share?
market share is deceptive in a growing market.
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It seems Jobs's reality distortion field lives on after his passing.
I am not even a fanboy. I like my iphone, I will buy an iphone 6 in september (actually my work will).
Apple is still in a dominant position. Do they have weaknesses? Yes. Do they face market challenge? Yes, its a very competitive market.
But they aren't desperate. If the iphone 6 and the ipad air 2 are both flops then yes, they might start to get desperate.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:26 pm to colorchangintiger
quote:Money Board
Meanwhile, Apple closed at a record high today, which translates to a record high for any publicly traded business in history.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:46 pm to Hawkeye95
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cause they are? Sure android is ahead right now
You say this with a straight face, too? iOS trails in userbase, and that is getting worse. iOS trails in features and options, both in software and hardware. A lot of words get redefined around here, but redefining "defining" is a new one. quote:Yeah, that tends to happen when you unveil 1 major product per year. Excitement builds, Apple knows what they are doing as far as marketing, no doubt.
apple is the one everyone pays attention to. iphone 6 is going to get more press coverage in 2 days when it launches than samsung has gotten for all of its phones in the last year.
quote:Is it, now? Huh, you learn something new every day. Please, tell me more about why a sale to an old customer is more important than a sale to a new one.
market share is deceptive in a growing market.
quote:Desperate to survive and remain a going concern? Definitely not, and no one is claiming that Apple is in such a desperate position. The claim is that Apple desperately needs iPhone6 to do well, lest their position in the market fall further. This is page 5, why am I still explaining this?
I am not even a fanboy. I like my iphone, I will buy an iphone 6 in september (actually my work will).
Apple is still in a dominant position. Do they have weaknesses? Yes. Do they face market challenge? Yes, its a very competitive market.
But they aren't desperate.
quote:Oh, so you do agree that Apple desperately needs their next couple of products to do well? So what are you arguing about?
If the iphone 6 and the ipad air 2 are both flops then yes, they might start to get desperate.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:34 pm to stendulkar
So people worldwide are getting poorer. Awesome.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:34 pm to CAD703X
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These comments are priceless. Why y'all mad though?
I'm not mad, I'm actually a happy Android user. I was referring to the cheap, shitty android phones that AT&T and others sell. Clearly not referring to top tier Android phones.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:37 pm to Hawkeye95
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But they aren't desperate
I think some of you are taking desperate as a reflection on Apple's current condition, like before Jobs came back and the MSFT infusion of cash, Apple was desperate. But this is a different kind of desperate. If a multi-millionaire playing poker goes all in, is he desperate to win or not?
Apple has a lot riding on the continued success of the iPhone and Android's growth is most certainly a threat that Apple MUST answer.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:41 pm to TigerinATL
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If a multi-millionaire playing poker goes all in, is he desperate to win or not?
the answer would be no.
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Apple has a lot riding on the continued success of the iPhone and Android's growth is most certainly a threat that Apple MUST answer.
completely agree. its a competitive market place. One of the most competitive out there.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:48 pm to 3deadtrolls
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I was referring to the cheap, shitty android phones that AT&T and others sell
apple has their standards i guess and don't want any of those wadded up $20s the poors use to buy phones with.
good for them. they should stay focused on the 'top tier' market and keep calling the shots with the carriers and dictating the iphone terms of sale.
sounds like a plan.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 5:44 pm to Korkstand
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The claim is that Apple desperately needs iPhone6 to do well, lest their position in the market fall further
iOS has been losing market share to android since what...gingerbread? Why all of a sudden do you feel Apple is desperately reliant on the next phone?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:46 pm to ZereauxSum
quote:It's not all of a sudden. Earlier in this thread I even said that all companies are always desperate for that next sale, it's just a matter of degree. This article is about the degree to which Apple is desperate for strong iPhone 6 sales.
iOS has been losing market share to android since what...gingerbread? Why all of a sudden do you feel Apple is desperately reliant on the next phone?
Neither I nor the article is making any extreme claims, I don't know what all the fuss is about.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:44 pm to Korkstand
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This article is about the degree to which Apple is desperate for strong iPhone 6 sales.
As far as I can tell, the article didn't mention anything that hasn't been the case for the past three years.
Are you and the author saying that the degree to which Apple is "desperate" has gone up? If so, why? If not, what's the point of this article and why do we have a 5 page thread about it?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:18 pm to ZereauxSum
Most of these polls test market share globally. iPhone usage outside the US is a lot smaller than here. Mostly because Apple products are priced quite highly in those markets.
Android takes a huge jump in the market share because of developing countries and such. No one in Africa is going to be able to afford an iPhone while Android is selling well. Heck in some places, Blackberry holds the leading market share for some reason.
The statistics to look at are mostly US and first world countries usage. Apple holds 42% market share in the US, more than Samsung, LG, and Motorola combined. Even adding in HTC, Android only holds 45.7%. That's not a huge discrepancy by an rate imaginable.
And Apple's profit margins are much larger than any of the Android manufacturers, meaning they are fine with how they are doing.
Android takes a huge jump in the market share because of developing countries and such. No one in Africa is going to be able to afford an iPhone while Android is selling well. Heck in some places, Blackberry holds the leading market share for some reason.
The statistics to look at are mostly US and first world countries usage. Apple holds 42% market share in the US, more than Samsung, LG, and Motorola combined. Even adding in HTC, Android only holds 45.7%. That's not a huge discrepancy by an rate imaginable.
And Apple's profit margins are much larger than any of the Android manufacturers, meaning they are fine with how they are doing.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:34 pm to ZereauxSum
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As far as I can tell, the article didn't mention anything that hasn't been the case for the past three years.
3 years ago the iPad was in a growing market and the Apple TV still had some promise. The tablet market appears to have matured much faster than anyone anticipated, and the streaming TV market now has Google and Amazon joining the party. TV is still a bit of a wild card, but it seems unlikely they'd be able to get a big foothold in the TV market like they did with digital music and the iPod. I think the desperation comes from the iPhone being more important than ever to Apple's success, and the fact that part of Apple's iPhone success comes from having significant market share.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:57 pm to ZereauxSum
quote:Except for the fact that Apple continues to lose share. These numbers come out every quarter, you know.
As far as I can tell, the article didn't mention anything that hasn't been the case for the past three years.
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Are you and the author saying that the degree to which Apple is "desperate" has gone up? If so, why? If not, what's the point of this article and why do we have a 5 page thread about it?
The point of the article is the fact that Apple's market share losses are accelerating. The userbase is shrinking in relation to Android. This has implications beyond next quarter or next year's profits.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:01 pm to Korkstand
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The userbase is shrinking in relation to Android.
so apple's user base is declining?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:18 pm to stendulkar
We have had this thread several times. don't feel like going through it again.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:16 pm to ForeLSU
quote:...in. relation. to. Android.quote:so apple's user base is declining?
The userbase is shrinking in relation to Android.
This has to be the ultimate in reading comprehension failure.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:30 am to stendulkar
How many different phones are actually "android" phones? There has to be about 50 now
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 1:39 am
Posted on 8/20/14 at 1:00 am to Korkstand
You clearly don't understand what "desperation" is for a corporation. If they were facing bankruptcy I would understand. But to say apple is desperate in any way shape or form is hilarious.
The fact that I even have to say this is ridiculous.
The fact that I even have to say this is ridiculous.
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