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Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:20 pm to Korkstand
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Later, I talked to Tyler Clark, and he insisted that the answer is yes. "Youngstown is a laboratory," he said. "There's not a lot of restrictions and bureaucracy. You can make a difference without a lot of effort."
solution for some
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:24 pm to Al Dante
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You're absurd. If they "handled collections in a timely manner" they would have been cut off 3 months after they stopped paying, evoking cries and outrage from people like you demanding that they be given more time. If the customers are given that time and are cut off two years later instead of 3 months we here complaints like the water dept. "needs to handle collections in a timely manner". Pathetic.
No. Three months is plenty of time, but you do it on an account by account basis. You don't let it stew for a long time, and then cut everyone off at once. And you offer means-tested assistance before turning shite off, not after.
Water departments all over the country handle this just fine. It appears that Detroit is trying to trim the fat in preparation for privatization.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:27 pm to Korkstand
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What is happening in Detroit is absolutely a failure of government. All sides included.
Detroit has been run under leftist policies for four decades.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:33 pm to Korkstand
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Water departments all over the country handle this just fine. It appears that Detroit is trying to trim the fat in preparation for privatization.
The only hope Detroit has of rebounding is privatization. I'd save time and just napalm the fricking place.
I'd say process the Detroit poors into food for other poors, but we don't want a cholera outbreak on our hands.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:34 pm to Antonio Moss
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Detroit has been run under leftist policies for four decades.
5 decades
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:40 pm to Korkstand
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You don't let it stew for a long time, and then cut everyone off at once
The catch 22 with this assertion has already been brought up.
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you offer means-tested assistance before turning shite off, not after.
Ah there it is. Give em more money, because clearly that's going to solve the problem.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:41 pm to Vols&Shaft83
I think this would be a wonderful opportunity to pause for a moment and give thanks for the many great contributions of the black community and their culture to our society. 
Their peaceful and generous nature makes them ideal neighbors, lending testimony to their exceptional family values and parenting skills unrivaled by any other culture.
Their commitment to academic excellence enriches our schools and serves as an example to all who hope to achieve prominence as a people.
Real Estate values are fueled by the influx of North American blacks into an area due to their caring and respectful nurturing of these communities, an example of all they have achieved by their enthusiasm for self-improvement through hard work and a self-reliant can-do nature. Without their industrious and creative drive, we would be poorer as a nation.
Presently enriching the cities of Spokane WA, Chicago IL, Philadelphia PA, Washington D.C., St. Louis MO, New Orleans LA, Los Angeles CA, Flint MI, Baltimore MD, Pontiac MI, Gary Ind., Newark NJ, Cleveland OH, Atlanta GA, Richmond VA, Memphis TN, Birmingham AL, Camden NJ; and let's not forget Detroit, the tourism capital of the world!
Their peaceful and generous nature makes them ideal neighbors, lending testimony to their exceptional family values and parenting skills unrivaled by any other culture. Their commitment to academic excellence enriches our schools and serves as an example to all who hope to achieve prominence as a people.
Real Estate values are fueled by the influx of North American blacks into an area due to their caring and respectful nurturing of these communities, an example of all they have achieved by their enthusiasm for self-improvement through hard work and a self-reliant can-do nature. Without their industrious and creative drive, we would be poorer as a nation. Presently enriching the cities of Spokane WA, Chicago IL, Philadelphia PA, Washington D.C., St. Louis MO, New Orleans LA, Los Angeles CA, Flint MI, Baltimore MD, Pontiac MI, Gary Ind., Newark NJ, Cleveland OH, Atlanta GA, Richmond VA, Memphis TN, Birmingham AL, Camden NJ; and let's not forget Detroit, the tourism capital of the world!
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:43 pm to Colonel Rebel
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Colonel Rebel
that isn't helping
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:46 pm to Colonel Rebel
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:48 pm to CptRusty
Idea# 1 Pay your bills in this fricking order.
Idea# 2
For the idiot lefties on here. I propose they triage the cutting of water starting with anyone who has a cell# as the phone of record on the account. Follow that up with people who have any phone #. Follow that with everyone else. Problem with that, see tip #1 above.
Idea# 2
For the idiot lefties on here. I propose they triage the cutting of water starting with anyone who has a cell# as the phone of record on the account. Follow that up with people who have any phone #. Follow that with everyone else. Problem with that, see tip #1 above.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:49 pm to CptRusty
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My position, is that these people have spent money on frivolous things instead of necessities.
Your position depends on broad generalizations.
quote:Fine. The water dept has acknowledged that some genuinely can't afford to pay their bills
I want some kind of substantial proof that a "whole lot" of people are so destitute that, despite the abundant financial assistance available to them, they are unable to come up with $65 per month for the single most vital basic need a person can have.
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the department has had a hard time distinguishing empty homes from occupied ones, and customers who legitimately can't afford to pay from those who've simply opted not to.
And let's set the bar lower than "poverty", and go with " extreme poverty", people living on less than $2 per day. Over 1% of Americans fit this definition, and it doesn't matter how much assistance you get, you can't pay a $65 water bill with only $60.
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I don't expect any will be forthcoming. You're talking completely out of your arse, and despite your constant deflection and now this strawman that I live bubble, you don't have a damn thing to back up what you're claiming. You're entire argument is based in emotion. "Ohh the poor people can't afford their water. It's the governments fault. It's the low population's fault" - Yeah, it's everyone's fault except the dead beats who didn't pay their bill.
Anything else?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:02 pm to Antonio Moss
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Detroit has been run under leftist policies for four decades.
So have a lot of successful cities. Execution matters.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:03 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I'd say process the Detroit poors into food for other poors
I normally get tired of stupid jokes, but this one still makes me giggle.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:03 pm to Korkstand
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So have a lot of successful cities. Execution matters.
For example?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:10 pm to Korkstand
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Your position depends on broad generalizations.
broad generalizations of what? do you think you can just toss around rhetoric and act as if you've made some kind of point? There are no "broad generalizations" in my position. Water is a necessity, hair color and manicures are not. Very simple.
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customers who legitimately can't afford to pay from those who've simply opted not to.
What is their definition of legitimate? What would be yours for that matter? What constitutes a "legitimate" failure to pay a water bill?
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And let's set the bar lower than "poverty", and go with " extreme poverty", people living on less than $2 per day. Over 1% of Americans fit this definition, and it doesn't matter how much assistance you get, you can't pay a $65 water bill with only $60.
Should have read the full study:
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About 866,000 households
appear to live in extreme poverty across
a full calendar quarter
assuming 300MM people in the US, that' .28% of households.
Then:
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When we consider SNAP benefits as
equivalent to dollars, this reduces the
number of extremely poor households
with children by about half.
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Beyond SNAP, many households with
children in extreme poverty also appear to
have access to other in-kind benefits. At
the beginning of 2011, roughly one-in-five
households in extreme poverty utilized a
housing subsidy such as section 8 vouchers
or public housing units
We can go round and round about how many of these people actually live in "extreme" poverty, but the bottom line is that the number we arrive at is panning out to be VERY low. Let's be generous and say that 5% fall in this category. The other 95% can afford it and choose to spend their money elsewhere.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:14 pm to Vols&Shaft83
quote:Seattle has been solidly liberal for a few decades, I believe.
For example?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:14 pm to CptRusty
We evacuate the disabled, then burn the rest in an AIDS Fire.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:15 pm to Korkstand
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Korkstand
it's been fun but I have to go take a shower and get to bed (see what I did there?). thanks for the discussion.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:25 pm to CptRusty
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Should have read the full study:
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About 866,000 households
appear to live in extreme poverty across
a full calendar quarter
assuming 300MM people in the US, that' .28% of households.
Households are not people.
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We can go round and round about how many of these people actually live in "extreme" poverty, but the bottom line is that the number we arrive at is panning out to be VERY low. Let's be generous and say that 5% fall in this category. The other 95% can afford it and choose to spend their money elsewhere.
Very low is still millions of people. Is that not a "whole lot"? And your "generous" 5%, is that of the entire population, or of those claiming they can't afford rising water bills? And where did you pull that number from?
All this because I suggested that some people genuinely need help. You don't back off until I provide evidence, and then you argue with that.
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