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Why is Julius Caesar looked upon so fondly by history?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:27 pm
Caesar was a dirty politician who took offices, wives, and friends just for political gain, bribed people for votes, and broke laws and traditions left and right. He broke countless laws and rules as Consul, and once it was time for him to stand for all the laws he broke he instead had it arranged for him to be sent off to Gaul where he conquered a whole civilization pretty much just for fame and popularity. Once he achieved his goal and had the support of his legions, instead of owning up to his previous illegal actions as Consul he started a civil war, over threw the Republic, and established himself as Dictator, I mean that's pretty much what Vladimir Lenin did.
Most people in history who have done this are looked at as power hungry sociopathic terrible people, yet Caesar is probably the most famous ruler of all time, and one of the most well regarded. And while his assassination is looked at as the ultimate example of treachery, wasn't it really just people trying to keep their country that had always been a Republic from becoming a Dictatorship?
I mean he overthrew a Republic, which is what America is, and he gets mostly praise and admiration for it today.
ETA; Lenin not Lennon......
Most people in history who have done this are looked at as power hungry sociopathic terrible people, yet Caesar is probably the most famous ruler of all time, and one of the most well regarded. And while his assassination is looked at as the ultimate example of treachery, wasn't it really just people trying to keep their country that had always been a Republic from becoming a Dictatorship?
I mean he overthrew a Republic, which is what America is, and he gets mostly praise and admiration for it today.
ETA; Lenin not Lennon......
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:29 pm to Tiger1242
quote:paul trotsky was the talented one
that's pretty much what Vladimir Lennon did
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:30 pm to Tiger1242
Most people are not aware of his actions, just the name and the association with Rome.
I wouldn't say he gets praise, necessarily, but is simply known.
I wouldn't say he gets praise, necessarily, but is simply known.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:30 pm to Tiger1242
quote:
Caesar was a dirty politician who took offices, wives, and friends just for political gain, bribed people for votes, and broke laws and traditions left and right.
Just like our shithead politicians
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:30 pm to Tiger1242
I think he is mostly remember as a skilled military commander and leader. As a politician, he was a scumbag that is why he was stabbed to death on the Senate floor.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:30 pm to Tiger1242
quote:Over here in America, we re-elect these people all the time.
Caesar was a dirty politician who took offices, wives, and friends just for political gain, bribed people for votes, and broke laws and traditions left and right. He broke countless laws and rules...
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:31 pm to Tiger1242
He had a great salad.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:32 pm to Tiger1242
Shakespeare
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:37 pm to Tiger1242
1. Julius Caesar was a dictator yes, but he was a good dictator who put through many important reforms that benefited the people (not the rich who would later kill him). He put forth many land reforms and fixed the calendar which is almost the same one we use today.
2. Caesar believed in clemency towards his enemies. He could have killed all of his political rivals as was the trend set before by Sulla and Marius. This eventually got Caesar killed. Augustus, the first emperor of Rome, learned that lesson and made sure all of his enemies were pushing up daisies. Caesar was very harsh, however, to the Gauls who went back on their word and revolted. Had they not revolted, they would not have had to pay such a harsh penalty.
3. As a general he was a genius and his battle strategies are still studied in military academies to this day.
4. If you look at the big picture, he had no option other than to take power. His enemies had forced his hand and they thought he would back down. They were wrong.
People make the mistake of assuming all dictators are bad. A dictator is sometimes necessary when the system does not work. The Roman Republic was designed to manage a city, not an empire. If it weren't for Julius Caesar, Rome would not have lasted another 500 years.
2. Caesar believed in clemency towards his enemies. He could have killed all of his political rivals as was the trend set before by Sulla and Marius. This eventually got Caesar killed. Augustus, the first emperor of Rome, learned that lesson and made sure all of his enemies were pushing up daisies. Caesar was very harsh, however, to the Gauls who went back on their word and revolted. Had they not revolted, they would not have had to pay such a harsh penalty.
3. As a general he was a genius and his battle strategies are still studied in military academies to this day.
4. If you look at the big picture, he had no option other than to take power. His enemies had forced his hand and they thought he would back down. They were wrong.
People make the mistake of assuming all dictators are bad. A dictator is sometimes necessary when the system does not work. The Roman Republic was designed to manage a city, not an empire. If it weren't for Julius Caesar, Rome would not have lasted another 500 years.
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:38 pm to Tiger1242
et tu, Tiger1242?
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:44 pm to Tiger1242
I would argue Caesar was not remembered fondly. He was the foremost dictator of the Western classical world
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:47 pm to Tiger1242
My Boy Willie Shakespeare
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:51 pm to Tiger1242
I don't think Caesar is really held in very high regard, to be honest. He's just really well-known for a figure from antiquity.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:53 pm to Tiger1242
If I could overthrow our republic and take command, we would be better off.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:20 pm to Tiger1242
He's not
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:25 pm to Tiger1242
I don't think that Caesar is all that well regarded. There's a reason Brutus is a pretty sympathetic protagonist to the eternal play "Julius Casear". Caesar isn't positively regarded, he's just regarded as the ultimate ruler, and probably only next to Alexander the Great, he truly is. Not greatest, but ultimate ruler.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:32 pm to Tiger1242
Bc Gauls and Britons didn't write the history books
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:52 pm to Tiger1242
Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears. We come to bury Caesar not to praise him. The evil that men do live after them, the good is oft interred with their bones.So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus-- Am I the only one with this speech embedded in my mind. I am 60 and can still recite most of it. That is what school does to a person when you are forced to remember something.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:23 am to Tiger1242
I upvote because you provide some food for thought.
Ceasar IS very well-known and famous, but, as you point out, he was probably not the best Roman in history.
Ceasar IS very well-known and famous, but, as you point out, he was probably not the best Roman in history.
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