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re: The Worst Person From Each State
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:35 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:35 pm to TheCaterpillar
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David fricking Duke
I assume he's from Louisiana, is that wrong?
Born in Oklahoma. We don't have to actually claim him.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:38 pm to TH03
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because New York had a penalty of death for dueling. jersey didn't.
Hamilton also fired his gun so it wasn't just a murder in cold blood
Of course. I think Jersey was the last state to outlaw the duel.
Your second statement shows that you don't understand how dueling worked. Both participants traditionally wasted their first shot to demonstrate their bravery and courage. Generally, after the first shot was fired in the air, both men were able to retain their honor and the air was considered cleared between them.
What made what Burr did particularly treacherous is Hamilton fired his shot in the air as per the pre-duel agreement and Burr killed him in cold blood with the first bullet which, keeping with his character, is the least honorable thing you could do.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:39 pm to fr33manator
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If you had been constantly passed up for promotion by less qualified people due to politics and untrue allegations, were infuriated with the way foreign and domestic policy was being handled, and on top of that had congress demanding you pay them because of paperwork that was lost during a retreat, you might not be so warm to a very new "America" (which was fiercely divided and hardly "united" at this point.) either.
I'm sorry, could you please point out the part that justifies treason?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:39 pm to TH03
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Hamilton also fired his gun so it wasn't just a murder in cold blood
It wasn't Hamilton's intention to actually shoot Burr though. Hamilton just fired into the air instead of firing into the ground.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:41 pm to Napoleon
quote:and it shows him as a trader? really?
really AAron Burr the worst person from Jersey?
What for killing an ex VP in a duel?
when duels were quasi legal.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:45 pm to Envy
is the only qualification to be born in the state? seems stupid
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:48 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
The revolutionary war was "treason" as well.
Treason is a word that winners impose on losers who pick the wrong side.
Otherwise we call them heroes.
What about all those who defected to the American side in conflicts? Treasonous scoundrels, right?
What some call terrorists, others call freedom fighters.
Treason is a word that winners impose on losers who pick the wrong side.
Otherwise we call them heroes.
What about all those who defected to the American side in conflicts? Treasonous scoundrels, right?
What some call terrorists, others call freedom fighters.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:50 pm to therick711
hamilton fired above burr's head, not in the air.
also, burr was a notorious bad shot, so historians think it's entirely plausible he too aimed to miss, however, accidentally struck hamilton. which would explain the remorse shown after the fatal shot:
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Hamilton did fire his weapon intentionally, and he fired first. But he aimed to miss Burr, sending his ball into the tree above and behind Burr's location. The bullet only skimmed Burr's ear. In so doing, he did not withhold his shot, but he did waste it, thereby honoring his pre-duel pledge. Meanwhile, Burr, who did not know about the pledge, did know that a projectile from Hamilton's gun had whizzed past him and crashed into the tree to his rear. According to the principles of the code duello, Burr was perfectly justified in taking deadly aim at Hamilton and firing to kill.
also, burr was a notorious bad shot, so historians think it's entirely plausible he too aimed to miss, however, accidentally struck hamilton. which would explain the remorse shown after the fatal shot:
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According to Pendleton's account, Hamilton collapsed immediately, dropping the pistol involuntarily, and Burr moved toward Hamilton in a speechless manner (which Pendleton deemed to be indicative of regret) before being hustled away behind an umbrella by Van Ness because Hosack and the rowers were already approaching
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:51 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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I'm sorry, could you please point out the part that justifies treason?
May be semantics, but the states were colonies in rebellion at the time. Arnold was a turncoat more than he committed actual treason.
George Washington et al were actually treasonous. They just avoided prosecution by winning.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:54 pm to Envy
John Wayne Gacy beat out James Earl Ray.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:54 pm to TH03
Burr claimed the shot buzzed his ear and struck a tree behind him. While some believe that story because his second backs it up, knowing Burr's reputation, I tend to side with those that account that Hamilton fire well above Burr as per their pre-duel agreement. Hamilton would have done well to waste his shot in the ground as was standard, then to rely on an agreement with Burr's people.
I could actually buy that Burr hit Hamilton by mistake, but at the end of the day, the result in terms of death and with regard to one's honor is the same without regard to malice or intent.
I could actually buy that Burr hit Hamilton by mistake, but at the end of the day, the result in terms of death and with regard to one's honor is the same without regard to malice or intent.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:58 pm to therick711
Didn't the pistols have hair triggers on them? That could have caused Hamilton to fire quicker than he wished.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 4:03 pm to therick711
I just don't think the hamilton shot is as cut and dry as some people think. some historians even think that by his letter the night before and his actions just preceding the duel, he was trying to set up Burr to look like a cold blooded murderer upon winning the duel.
he was also suspected of violating the code by telling Judge Pendelton of his intentions to miss, but not directly and obviously making that known to burr since he didn't shoot straight up in the air or at the ground
he was also suspected of violating the code by telling Judge Pendelton of his intentions to miss, but not directly and obviously making that known to burr since he didn't shoot straight up in the air or at the ground
Posted on 2/5/14 at 4:03 pm to GetCocky11
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Didn't the pistols have hair triggers on them?
hamilton's did
edit: nvm, both did
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 4:11 pm to TH03
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I just don't think the hamilton shot is as cut and dry as some people think. some historians even think that by his letter the night before and his actions just preceding the duel, he was trying to set up Burr to look like a cold blooded murderer upon winning the duel.
You have to believe that Hamilton had a death wish to believe that yarn, though.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 4:12 pm to therick711
We're getting off topic. This deserves it's own thread, as does the Benedict Arnold question.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 4:13 pm to Bluefin
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Pelosi is worse than the Zodiac Killer.
Perhaps, but Nancy Pelosi is from Baltimore.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 4:15 pm to therick711
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You have to believe that Hamilton had a death wish to believe that yarn, though.
or a contingency plan
Posted on 2/5/14 at 4:16 pm to TH03
are yall trying to get me to believe that these men back then with these weapons were accurate enough to place a shot to wizr by someones ear on purpose?
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