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was Jefferson Davis guilty of treason?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:33 pm
Posting from my phone, but curious how people feel currently.
He was arrested after the war and imprisoned in Virginia for two years before being freed on bail.
He was never tried and lived out much of the remainder of his life in Mississippi, though he traveled quite a bit.
I think he died in New Orleans in 1889 if memory serves me correctly, but someone can double check that.
Anyway, was Davis a traitor? Was he a hero? Should he have been prosecuted and hanged? And since many here are southerners, how do you think the north views him?
He was arrested after the war and imprisoned in Virginia for two years before being freed on bail.
He was never tried and lived out much of the remainder of his life in Mississippi, though he traveled quite a bit.
I think he died in New Orleans in 1889 if memory serves me correctly, but someone can double check that.
Anyway, was Davis a traitor? Was he a hero? Should he have been prosecuted and hanged? And since many here are southerners, how do you think the north views him?
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:34 pm to thetempleowl
quote:
Anyway, was Davis a traitor?
No.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:35 pm to thetempleowl
quote:No.
was Jefferson Davis guilty of treason?
There is a reason he wasn't tried.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:36 pm to thetempleowl
Y
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:37 pm to thetempleowl
quote:Yes. The victor is the hero and the loser is a traitor. Thus is the way of all rebellions. The victor writes the history books.
was Davis a traitor?
quote:Not if the North wanted to avoid angering the South. Thankfully they didn't go that route and went with the much more peaceful act of forgiveness.
Should he have been prosecuted and hanged?
quote:As they view all southerners. Traitors and rebels.
And since many here are southerners, how do you think the north views him?
Its more likely that most northerners wouldn't even know who he was though.
On another note, I still believe the South was completely within its rights to leave the union.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:09 pm to thetempleowl
quote:
was Jefferson Davis guilty of treason?
Absolutely, yes.
quote:
Should he have been prosecuted and hanged?
I think he should have been prosecuted, sentenced to death, but then had his sentence commuted to life by the president.
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how do you think the north views him?
The few that do think about it probably think it's odd that a treasonous terrorist is still lauded in many parts of the south.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:10 pm to thetempleowl
Nope. If he was never tried and convicted then he cannot be GUILTY of anything.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:11 pm to thetempleowl
quote:
I think he died in New Orleans in 1889 if memory serves me correctly, but someone can double check that.
Yeah, at a house in the Garden District. I want to say, Third Street. There's a plaque in front saying so.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:21 pm to thetempleowl
"I think he died in New Orleans in 1889 if memory serves me correctly, but someone can double check that."
He did die in New Orleans and you walk right by the house in which he died. It is not far from the shops and restaurants on Magazine Street.
"Anyway, was Davis a traitor?"
I say that he was not because in our federal system, especially as it existed before the Civil War, states are sovereign bodies and he remained loyal to Mississippi. By way of analogy, the break-away states from the USSR almost certainly had/have leaders who previously served in the Soviet Union. While Davis, for better or ill, chose Mississippi over the Union, he was not a traitor. (I would say the same about Southerners who chose the Union over their home states. Not traitors).
"Was he a hero?"
Difficult to say. From the accounts I have read, he was brave in the face of pursuit by federal forces, but ultimately, the secession of the Southern states was too motivated by the desire to extend the institution of slavery for me to regard him as a hero even if I admire him in some respects.
"Should he have been prosecuted and hanged?"
No. Many were on the losing side and I am not aware of anything Davis did as president of the Confederacy to merit such punishment, especially if you wanted to reunify the nation after the war.
He did die in New Orleans and you walk right by the house in which he died. It is not far from the shops and restaurants on Magazine Street.
"Anyway, was Davis a traitor?"
I say that he was not because in our federal system, especially as it existed before the Civil War, states are sovereign bodies and he remained loyal to Mississippi. By way of analogy, the break-away states from the USSR almost certainly had/have leaders who previously served in the Soviet Union. While Davis, for better or ill, chose Mississippi over the Union, he was not a traitor. (I would say the same about Southerners who chose the Union over their home states. Not traitors).
"Was he a hero?"
Difficult to say. From the accounts I have read, he was brave in the face of pursuit by federal forces, but ultimately, the secession of the Southern states was too motivated by the desire to extend the institution of slavery for me to regard him as a hero even if I admire him in some respects.
"Should he have been prosecuted and hanged?"
No. Many were on the losing side and I am not aware of anything Davis did as president of the Confederacy to merit such punishment, especially if you wanted to reunify the nation after the war.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:44 pm to thetempleowl
He'd argue that point.
And he would probably win.
Because the fricker loved to argue, so much that he was hated for it. . .but he generally won all his arguments.
And he would probably win.
Because the fricker loved to argue, so much that he was hated for it. . .but he generally won all his arguments.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:55 pm to thetempleowl
quote:I don't think so.
was Jefferson Davis guilty of treason?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:03 pm to thetempleowl
I'm sure the North knows nothing of his past and his quite full and colorful life but instead see's him as the racist face of a bunch of slave holders.
Davis was NOT a traitor. To bring him up on thoses charges would have been a losing case. Perhaps more creative charges could have been brought but after two years most wanted to avoid any further contemplation of his case for various political reasons.
There is much I admire about the Jeff Davis before his selection as president of the CSA. But his actions and words during the conflict became more and more extreme and lessed what i considered to be a honorable man.
Davis was NOT a traitor. To bring him up on thoses charges would have been a losing case. Perhaps more creative charges could have been brought but after two years most wanted to avoid any further contemplation of his case for various political reasons.
There is much I admire about the Jeff Davis before his selection as president of the CSA. But his actions and words during the conflict became more and more extreme and lessed what i considered to be a honorable man.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:06 pm to thetempleowl
Of course, that's a dumb question.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:23 pm to thetempleowl
quote:
Anyway, was Davis a traitor?
Yes
quote:
Was he a hero?
No
quote:
Should he have been prosecuted and hanged?
No
quote:
how do you think the north views him?
Misguided. His actions (and those of the south) cost many American lives.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:30 pm to thetempleowl
He was not guilty of treason.
As a northerner who now lives within walking distance of Mr. Jefferson's home I've sent photos of myself visiting the Davis residence to family and friends in Boston who thought it was cool as hell.
As a northerner who now lives within walking distance of Mr. Jefferson's home I've sent photos of myself visiting the Davis residence to family and friends in Boston who thought it was cool as hell.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 4:38 pm to thetempleowl
nope
Posted on 1/2/14 at 5:51 pm to thetempleowl
What did Davis do that was illegal?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 6:24 pm to thetempleowl
A traitor can be a hero.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 12:15 am to thetempleowl
He willfully accepted and executed the powers and responsibilities of the position of Commander-in-Chief of a belligerent power. That is exactly treason. The United States chose not to try him, and he later encouraged loyalty to the Union.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 8:47 am to thetempleowl
quote:
was Jefferson Davis guilty of treason?
Did the States have a CONSTITUTIONAL LEGAL RIGHT to secede?
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