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EDIT: NCAA Rulebook explains why INT return was a (EDIT 2) Mess
Posted on 1/1/14 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 1/1/14 at 6:08 pm
"Ball carrier A33 is running toward the Team B goal line. He drops the ball just inside the one-yard line and, thinking he has scored a touchdown, circles through the end zone and runs to his team area. There is no touchdown signal by any official. The fumbled ball hits the ground just outside or just inside the goal line, rolls along the ground in the end zone, and is declared dead there when it comes to rest and no player attempts to recover it. RULING: Touchdown. The ball belongs
to the team last in possession at the dead-ball spot. By definition an awarded fumble in the opponent’s end zone is a touchdown. (Rule 7-2-5)"
Found on Page 45 of the Rulebook
Rule 7, Section 2, Article 4, Subpart c
c. Behind or Beyond Goal Line. When a fumble or backward pass goes out of bounds behind or beyond a goal line, it is a safety or touchback depending on impetus and responsibility
(Rules 8-5-1, 8-6-1 and 8-7) (A.R. 7-2-4-I,
A.R. 8-6-1-I and A.R. 8-7-2-I).
Now to "impetus and responsibility". We have a rule for that.
Rule 8, Section 7, Article 1
"The team responsible for the ball being out of bounds behind a goal line or being dead in the possession of a player on, above or behind a goal
line is the team whose player carries the ball or imparts an impetus to it that forces it on, above or across the goal line, or is responsible for a loose ball being on, above or behind the goal line."
and Article 2, Subpart a
"The impetus imparted by a player who kicks, passes, snaps or fumbles the ball shall be considered responsible for the ball’s progress in
any direction even though its course is deflected or reversed after striking the ground or after touching an official or a player of either team"
to the team last in possession at the dead-ball spot. By definition an awarded fumble in the opponent’s end zone is a touchdown. (Rule 7-2-5)"
Found on Page 45 of the Rulebook
Rule 7, Section 2, Article 4, Subpart c
c. Behind or Beyond Goal Line. When a fumble or backward pass goes out of bounds behind or beyond a goal line, it is a safety or touchback depending on impetus and responsibility
(Rules 8-5-1, 8-6-1 and 8-7) (A.R. 7-2-4-I,
A.R. 8-6-1-I and A.R. 8-7-2-I).
Now to "impetus and responsibility". We have a rule for that.
Rule 8, Section 7, Article 1
"The team responsible for the ball being out of bounds behind a goal line or being dead in the possession of a player on, above or behind a goal
line is the team whose player carries the ball or imparts an impetus to it that forces it on, above or across the goal line, or is responsible for a loose ball being on, above or behind the goal line."
and Article 2, Subpart a
"The impetus imparted by a player who kicks, passes, snaps or fumbles the ball shall be considered responsible for the ball’s progress in
any direction even though its course is deflected or reversed after striking the ground or after touching an official or a player of either team"
This post was edited on 1/1/14 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 1/1/14 at 6:13 pm to Rouge
Another reason this was the shittiest officiating crew I've seen in a looooong time.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 6:13 pm to Rouge
I don't see how it is possible to field a ball in play and then retreat to your own goalline and then have a touchback. I do not believe that is the correct methodology.
I mean, why would they gain 20 yards for their penalty?
I mean, why would they gain 20 yards for their penalty?
This post was edited on 1/1/14 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 1/1/14 at 6:20 pm to Rouge
quote:
Behind or Beyond Goal Line. When a fumble or backward pass goes out of bounds behind or beyond a goal line, it is a safety or touchback depending on impetus and responsibility
(Rules 8-5-1, 8-6-1 and 8-7) (A.R. 7-2-4-I,
A.R. 8-6-1-I and A.R. 8-7-2-I).
Is a key part of this that the ball goes out of bounds? The ball never went out of bounds and no one picked it up when it was laying there…..
Posted on 1/1/14 at 6:22 pm to Rouge
This rule is talking about the ball going out of bounds though, right?
Eta: I see it's already been mentioned.
Eta: I see it's already been mentioned.
This post was edited on 1/1/14 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 1/1/14 at 6:24 pm to Rouge
It didn't go out of bounds though. It simply remained uncovered in the end zone. Therefore the team who fumbled was awarded the ball on the 1.
Edit: I really should read a post more thoroughly before saying what 3 people already said.
Edit: I really should read a post more thoroughly before saying what 3 people already said.
This post was edited on 1/1/14 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 1/1/14 at 6:25 pm to Rouge
The ball was never recovered, thus going back to the place of the fumble by the runner. The refs did get that call correct. The previous Iowa fumble and forward pass call, they did not get correct
Posted on 1/1/14 at 6:36 pm to Rouge
It wound up being enforced as an inadvertent whistle. The whistle blew when the side man signaled TD therefore the ball is played from a spot determined by the possessing teams wish. Of course, Iowa wanted it at the last spot of possession. The whistle killed the ball while loose.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 7:02 pm to Rouge
They need to change the rule to say: Any dumbass who drops the ball before crossing the goal line will cost his team the possession.
Seen way too many of these plays recently. Can't comprehend how this happens.
Seen way too many of these plays recently. Can't comprehend how this happens.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 7:54 pm to Rouge
That ref's sole job on that play was to ensure that the runner crossed the goal line with possession of the ball. He failed miserably.
That plus his complete miss of Jennings being tackled while attempting to stop the return essentially meant that he was being a spectator.
Good job dumbass.
I wish the broadcast both would call these jackasses out more often.
That plus his complete miss of Jennings being tackled while attempting to stop the return essentially meant that he was being a spectator.
Good job dumbass.
I wish the broadcast both would call these jackasses out more often.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 8:03 pm to Rouge
quote:Along with the """"forward progress nonfumble"""" as was the fumble over-rule.
NCAA Rulebook explains why INT return was a (EDIT 2) Mess
Maybe the officials were true Freshman too?
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