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re: Don't fret, LSU fans...this run by Alabama will end soon...
Posted on 11/12/13 at 1:49 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 11/12/13 at 1:49 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Yea I think at this point in his career there are a few schools in the country he could put a run together like this, but not just anywhere.
Ahhhh, I see. I agree, he couldn't just completely dominate anywhere.
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Posted on 11/12/13 at 1:51 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Well you idiots this is impossible.
Speaking of idiots how about all the ones who say CLM is a great recruiter?
What other SEC teams don't have a major program in state competing for recruits?
Arkansas & Missouri
Per capita Louisiana and Miss are 2 of the best states for recruiting. Throw in SE Texas, the facilities and recent success of the program almost anyone could recruit the classes CLM has recently. We have no in state competition. How many of the top players would come her just because they grew up tiger fans?
Posted on 11/12/13 at 1:51 pm to Chicken
Two things I have is to clean up the sloppiness that has plagued his offenses for the past years.
Defense - Has to improve on tackling.
Defense - Has to improve on tackling.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 1:52 pm to Lester Earl
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We say this every year.
Doesn't mean shite until they play. We always recruit good high school QBs.
Hence the use of the word "seem". I was responding to a poster that said we need to recruit better QBs. I pointed out that we have been recruiting good QBs. Obviously they need to be developed but Cam has shown the ability to do that. QB is not our glaring weakness right now.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 1:55 pm to ColaTiger
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The other is to keep Cameron and Chavis, especially Cameron. They are Miles' lifeblood
THIS!!!
Dinardo was a classic example of "you're only as good as your coordinators are". After Reese and Watts left, we took that serious decline.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 1:58 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:when you are No. 1 and you don't face the No. 2 team in the bowl (and vice versa), you will never know if you were the best...the BCS and the future playoff system will render pre-BCS title claims laughable for the most part.
There was an undisputed NC in the 60's, 70's, 90's, 2000's, and 2010's
This post was edited on 11/12/13 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 11/12/13 at 1:58 pm to GABlueDog
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I can see him being there another 5 years. I do, however, feel sorry for his successor. He will never be able to replicate this run.
I'm almost starting to feel sorry for Bear Bryant at this point. If Bama wins the title this year Saban will have accomplished the 3 pete Bryant never did, and will have more than one national title for every two years he's been at Bama (4/7). Bryant had slightly less one title for every four years at Bama (6/25).
I sense a Saban-Bryant-Denny stadium in the future.
EDIT- Though thanks to LSU, Saban has a lower SEC Championship rate, even presuming Bama wins it this year - that's "only" 3/7, as opposed to Bryant's 13/25. The SEC was smaller back then though.
This post was edited on 11/12/13 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 11/12/13 at 2:08 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Don't fret, LSU fans...this run by Alabama will end soon...
I have the "want" to believe Mr. Chicken...but as long as CNS is at bama....they will be the team to beat...and the damage of the recent Bama success will weigh on the psyche of the Tiger fan base for a good while.
I hope the end comes sooner rather than later...Hook'em Horns!!!!
Posted on 11/12/13 at 2:14 pm to SpidermanTUba
Cycles are real. LSU 2003, 2007 and 2011. If you demand being an elite program then set expectations to 11-2 and top 5 every year. (As a reminder, we can still finish 10-3 in a "rebuilding year"). Then cheer for the stars to align to capture a championship once every ~5 years: recruiting, coaching, leadership on the field, a few timely huge plays and a little luck. What Bama is accomplishing these last few years is the exception that has only been acheived twice previously: Miami in 80's and Nebraska in 70's. Take a look at recent records for Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Michigan and Southern Cal and then contemplate that we were one play from beating Bama last year. There is not THAT huge of a gulf between the programs rigth now. Just 3 of our defensive starters from last year had stayed then we'd be debating how to beat Florida State right now. 
Posted on 11/12/13 at 2:17 pm to Topwater Trout
So basically the rule is that if you have two major programs in the state its ok to miss on top recruits in the state but if its just you, its inexcusable and should never happen?
"i dont want another 5 star recruit to leave this state!"
This has never, and will never happen. So keep being pissed and complaining about some fantasy that you think should occur.
You clowns are so far out of touch with recruiting its hilarious. Im guessing you didnt realize Jameis Winston is from Alabama. But Saban gets a pass for missing out on the best QB recruit in 5 years, thank god he wasnt from LA, we'd never hear the end of it.
"i dont want another 5 star recruit to leave this state!"
This has never, and will never happen. So keep being pissed and complaining about some fantasy that you think should occur.
You clowns are so far out of touch with recruiting its hilarious. Im guessing you didnt realize Jameis Winston is from Alabama. But Saban gets a pass for missing out on the best QB recruit in 5 years, thank god he wasnt from LA, we'd never hear the end of it.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 2:20 pm to Chicken
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Question: What do you think are the 2 or 3 major changes that Les needs to make to catch up to Alabama and keep ahead of Auburn, Ole Miss and Texas A&M?
If Less has to stay in the equation:
1. Expand recruiting efforts outside the state to nationally elite athletes to compensate when Landon Collins or can Robinson choose bama
2. Beef up the defense. Enough with linebackers playing DE, safeties playing LB, and corners playing safety
Posted on 11/12/13 at 2:21 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Get faster and more sound fundamentally on defense, especially at the linebacker position.
Thanks Herr Stiglitz.
This team hasn't had a group of dominant LB's in a while.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 2:24 pm to Chicken
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Question: What do you think are the 2 or 3 major changes that Les needs to make to catch up to Alabama and keep ahead of Auburn, Ole Miss and Texas A&M?
1. Reconstruct the front seven dominance, while retaining the excellent stable of DBs over the past few years. Defensive rebuilding shouldn't look like it has in 2013.
2. A QB that is a capable passer, mobile enough to avoid the rush, and smart enough to make good decisions with the ball - Mett was close, but Cam got him too late.
3. Keep Cam for at least 3 or 4 more seasons.
Hon. Mention - Get back the physical dominance where we were getting stronger while the other team got weaker - we did that in 2011 and were successful, effectively with 0 consistency at the QB position. Imagine that defense with 2013's offense (Ole Miss game notwithstanding)...
Posted on 11/12/13 at 2:24 pm to Topwater Trout
double post
This post was edited on 11/12/13 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 11/12/13 at 2:26 pm to Chicken
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when you are No. 1 and you don't face the No. 2 team in the bowl (and vice versa), you will never know if you were the best...the BCS and the future playoff system will render pre-BCS title claims laughable for the most part.
In 1961 Alabama was voted number one in the coaches and AP poll after finishing undefeated with a sugar bowl victory over number nine Arkansas.
In 1965 number 3 alabama defeated number 4 Nebraska in the orange bowl, both number one and number 2 lost earlier in the day.
In 1978 number 2 alabama defeated number 1 penn state in the sugar bowl
In 92 number 2 alabama defeated number one Miami
As you can see there are several instances in the previous decades where number one and number two squared off, and in the 60's you can argue it all you want the number one and number 2 didn't play (they rarely did) but you can't argue that bama had a unanimous NC in that decade.
These facts are a moot point however, the point is that Alabama was great before Saban and will be great after Saban. Is a drop off inevitable? Sure, no one can stay on top forever, I'm just advising not to get too excited about the downfall of Alabama, because history proves that slumber doesn't last long. There is also no correlation that shows the "decline" of Alabama will signal a rise for LSU. Both programs are here to stay for the foreseeable future and both will rise again after any perceived fall, we've just proven it never takes long
This post was edited on 11/12/13 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 11/12/13 at 2:30 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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There's no reason to beleive he wont't be there for a LONG time. Maybe he will retire, but we don't know that, and why would he? He's got the world at his fingertips.
LOL. He's pushing 65. I can't imagine anyone pushing 65 and saying "I am the most hated and loved man in the state. I am constantly yelling and having mini strokes. But I live in Tuscaloosa, AL and we just built a sweet new IHOP. I have the world at my fingertips."
Posted on 11/12/13 at 2:32 pm to Chicken
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when you are No. 1 and you don't face the No. 2 team in the bowl (and vice versa), you will never know if you were the best...the BCS and the future playoff system will render pre-BCS title claims laughable for the most part.
I certainly understand your point but in doing so you effectively erase close to a century of champions. I don't think that's fair to the players or the game. As ambiguous as the champions were it was what part of college football.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 2:34 pm to SpidermanTUba
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I'm almost starting to feel sorry for Bear Bryant at this point. If Bama wins the title this year Saban will have accomplished the 3 pete Bryant never did, and will have more than one national title for every two years he's been at Bama (4/7). Bryant had slightly less one title for every four years at Bama (6/25). I sense a Saban-Bryant-Denny stadium in the future. EDIT- Though thanks to LSU, Saban has a lower SEC Championship rate, even presuming Bama wins it this year - that's "only" 3/7, as opposed to Bryant's 13/25. The SEC was smaller back then though.
I think we are splitting hairs here. Both are legends. Sure, Saban only lost less than 3 games at lsu 1 time in 5 season but he is remarkable at bama. I will point out though, that politics all play a significant role in the comparison. Saban should not have the 2011 title. That was horseshite and everyone knows it. At the same time i am not positive but would say confidently that bear claimed a title or 2 with other unbeatens the same year that have an argument. This is the problem with college football. There is never a true champion and won't be until a deep playoff is implemented like in FCS (8-16 teams). Otherwise, the most political and corrupt schools will keep claiming titles.
This post was edited on 11/12/13 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 11/12/13 at 2:36 pm to Chicken
Great post Chicken. agree with virtually everything you said.
Saban will be gone sooner than later and whom ever takes his place will struggle mightly to maintain the unparalled success.
AJ McCarron was perfect for Saban's coaching style.
LSU has issues with the front 7 on defense, the offensive line and either the DB's or the DB coach.
Changes that need to be made:
recruit better linemen, both offensive and defensive, recruit more 240lb linebackers.
Saban will be gone sooner than later and whom ever takes his place will struggle mightly to maintain the unparalled success.
AJ McCarron was perfect for Saban's coaching style.
LSU has issues with the front 7 on defense, the offensive line and either the DB's or the DB coach.
Changes that need to be made:
recruit better linemen, both offensive and defensive, recruit more 240lb linebackers.
This post was edited on 11/12/13 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 11/12/13 at 2:37 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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You clowns are so far out of touch with recruiting its hilarious. Im guessing you didnt realize Jameis Winston is from Alabama. But Saban gets a pass for missing out on the best QB recruit in 5 years, thank god he wasnt from LA, we'd never hear the end of it.
Winston wanted to play baseball also...do you really think Nick was going to allow that?
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So basically the rule is that if you have two major programs in the state its ok to miss on top recruits in the state but if its just you, its inexcusable and should never happen?
No jackass the rule is we don't have to compete with another major program...which should make it easier keeping top recruits home. Are you really this stupid? Yes you are because you took the 5 star comment literally.
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