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re: Should Mainieri Make Any Changes To The Program?

Posted on 6/22/13 at 4:50 pm to
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12507 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 4:50 pm to
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How many runs did bregmans error cost us?
This is my point. You are acting like there was only one event that decided the entire game. I am saying that there were several factors that contributed to our loss: some of which were under our control, some of which were under UCLA's control, some of which were under the NCAA's control, and some of which were under no one's control. And the point I am making is that if you add up all the factors under our control, all the factors under UCLA's control, and all the factors under no one's control, LSU still wins that game about 5-2 because we have 2 or 3 more home runs. But when you also add in the factors under the NCAA's control (specifically, the ridiculous field dimensions and positioning), then we lose because those should-be-homers are now long fly outs.
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We didn't rely on them all year so why would we in a bigger stadium in Omaha?
That was MY point; we weren't relying on them, but they are supposed to be a part of baseball, and were a part of our overall excellent baseball performance all year. When the stadium dimensions essentially removed them from the game that hurt our performance. That was one factor in the outcome of the game, and it was a significant enough factor to have made the difference in a game as close as that one turned out to be.
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LSU fans have a very bad habit of blaming everything in sight on a loss instead of understanding that we just didn't play well enough to win. If we did we wouldve won
That statement only works if you believe no team has ever, once, in the history of sports, been denied a victory unfairly by factors outside of its control that should not have been involved. Referees, stupid (and unfair) rule changes, cheating, and many other unfair events have cost thousands of teams victories in games that they did indeed play well enough to win. Again, you are defying the possibility that multiple factors can be decisive in a game.

Example: Team A hits a ground ball with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th and is throw out at 1st but the umpire misses the call and calls the runner safe. The next batter hits a ground ball, and Team B commits its first error allowing 2 runs to score, losing the game 2-1. Now, is Team B's 2 run error a decisive factor in the outcome? Yes, because without it they would have gotten the 3rd out and won 1-0. Is the umpire's bad call a decisive factor in the outcome? Yes, because if he'd gotten the call right the game would have ended with Team B winning 1-0. The fact that they had a chance to win but blew it with an error does not in any way lessen or change the fact that they got screwed out of a win by the ump's bad call. Team B did in fact play well enough to win the game -- going error free for what should have been all nine innings -- but lost it.

Many LSU fans do complain very stupidly, particularly on this site. But many LSU fans are also unfairly derided as "whiners" by people who fail to understand (or at least recognize) the concept of multiple factors in causality. Some factors are legitimately part of the game, some are not. When those that are not affect the outcome of the game, that is legitimate reason to complain about the situation.

Posted by CottonWasKing
4,8,15,16,23,42
Member since Jun 2011
28736 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 4:53 pm to
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I disagree with this. Against UCLA, we would've been up 4-0 early in that game if it was played anywhere else. I think you're underestimating the mindset of these players. It's easy to say "just layoff the high stuff." But they didn't have to layoff those pitches all year long. And when Ibarra squared up the pitches he squared up in that game in the regular season, they left the yard. It's basic positive reinforcement. The habit isn't easy to break no matter how much they practiced it the week before the World Series.


No one said that there was anything easy about the college World Series. I'm telling you what we had to do and didn't. It's a big park playing in different sized parks is another part of baseball. I'm not faulting Ibarra for giving those balls a ride. He squared them up but just came up short. Nothing wrong with that.

The problems came in when we consistently left runners on base. That's why those of you who want to blame it on the bats or balls or stadium come across as whining. You can't bitch hitting two fly balls to the warning that "should've" been gone. When you left enough runners to 10 run rule them at second base.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12507 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 5:08 pm to
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That's why those of you who want to blame it on the bats or balls or stadium come across as whining. You can't bitch hitting two fly balls to the warning that "should've" been gone. When you left enough runners to 10 run rule them at second base.

You don't have to play a perfect game to play well enough to deserve to win. We didn't play anywhere close to perfect, and neither did UCLA. But the park dimensions were designed to negate several of the mistakes they made, so that they were able to win despite making even more egregious mistakes than we did. That's fundamentally unfair. If you don't believe that it is, then you just insist that all baseball teams are (or should) exactly as good at every single aspect of baseball, and there is not (or should not be) such a thing as a team that is better at some aspects than others; and thus nothing that adversely affects one aspect of the game can possibly have a unequal impact on the teams. Many people seem to disagree with that. When you artificially subtract one aspect of the game (in this case, home runs), that unfairly penalizes teams that utilize that aspect and rewards teams vulnerable to it (like, say, teams with pitchers who throw a lot of high fastballs that would otherwise be disastrous home runs).

Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37837 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 5:15 pm to
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Quit whining like a little girl about shite that everyone else had to deal with as well.
I haven't whined about shite, a-hole.

LSU didn't perform well at all. I agree with that.

But to say LSU didn't play well excuses the absolute crap ball needed to win in the CWS is absurd and shortsighted.
Posted by brickman
mandeville,la.
Member since Apr 2009
294 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 5:17 pm to
I really dislike all the small ball that teams like ucla play.I do think there needs to be something in the middle.We are terrible bunting the ball.When in the game it came up that Raph had not bunted all year it surprised me.To me its kind of like free throws in basketball.Everyone on the team should be able to lay one down.
Posted by TG
Metairie
Member since Sep 2004
3062 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 6:23 pm to
Send Javi somewhere else...
Posted by oldtigerman
Santa Rosa Beach, FL
Member since Feb 2009
37 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 7:02 pm to
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Posted by Sheetbend
Member since Apr 2013
1267 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 7:14 pm to
Mainieri needs to recruit players who can hit with men in scoring position--problem solved.
Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3790 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 8:10 pm to
There was a lot of good information posted, but I'd be interested in hearing people's thoughts on what, if any, changes Mainieri needs to make assuming that the NCAA doesn't change anything.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37837 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 8:26 pm to
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changes Mainieri needs to make assuming that the NCAA doesn't change anything.
Boycott the CWS?

Seriously, Mainieri is going to change what? Not win 55 games, the SECT, sweep the Rs and SRs so IF we get the CWS we can drag bunt victories?

I say play baseball and let the chips fall where they will.

Posted by LSUFAN2
Tennessee
Member since Jan 2011
2438 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 9:44 pm to
Send Javi packing- quick fast & in a hurry. Now!
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10180 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 9:59 pm to
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I say play baseball and let the chips fall where they will.



Wrong.

If you go to the CWS and play as usual you will be sitting at the house watching the game. You have to change your game plan and play for hits not homeruns. The game is turning into what women's softball is. I don't care how good of hitter you got at the plate if you are down or in a close game you bunt the runner over to second EVERY TIME! This is a different game now and UCLA has proven it. Like it or not small ball wins.

What LSU and just about every other major college team should do is recruit speed and defense everywhere. Batting average has not been that big of a deal as long as they can bunt. UCLA I think has the lowest team batting average in the CWS.

Gone are the days of the 6'4" 240lb power hitters. LSU has the players they just need to change their hitting philosophy.
This post was edited on 6/22/13 at 10:06 pm
Posted by CottonWasKing
4,8,15,16,23,42
Member since Jun 2011
28736 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 10:15 pm to
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Gone are the days of the 6'4" 240lb power hitters. LSU has the players they just need to change their hitting philosophy.


Not really. If we would've played the game like we played it throughout the regular season then we wouldve won both of those games. We just didn't execute
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10180 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 10:19 pm to
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If we would've played the game like we played it throughout the regular season then we wouldve won both of those games.


I disagree, we hit 6 balls that would have been out in any SEC park. You can't swing for the fences in Omaha.

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We just didn't execute



You are 100% correct. If you don't advance runners or get hits with the bases loaded then you are not gonna win games.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67980 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 10:36 pm to
What are the chances that a change will be made in the ball for next season?
Posted by LateArrivalforLSU
Ascension Parish
Member since Sep 2012
3512 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 10:55 pm to
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I just don't understand why the hitters have to be penalized in Omaha, and not the pitchers. Pitcher can throw junk with no real worry about the batter going yard.


Yep. It pisses me off to no end. I hate the dead bats. The NCAA is going to have to make changes and find a happy medium. You know it's bad whenever every telecast talks about how poor offensive production is, due to the dud bats. Switch to a tighter wound ball, or something. Once again, I hate the dead bats.
This post was edited on 6/22/13 at 10:56 pm
Posted by LSUstephen17
Houston
Member since Aug 2010
13112 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 10:58 pm to
Absolutely not
Posted by BasilBogomil
Member since Dec 2012
6098 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 11:29 pm to
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There's a decent chance that during this offseason one or both of these things will happen - a) NCAA will go to the minor league baseball. b) the fences will be shortened at Ameritrade and for that matter at Hoover. What some of you who say we can't win at Ameritrade with our style seem to forget is that we won an SEC Tourney at Hoover with this style. So what I'm saying is don't change. We went 0-2 in this years CWS because our 3,5,& 6 hitters went 0-24, not cause we didn't play "small-ball".


Winner on page one.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
28021 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 11:41 pm to
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Gone are the days of the 6'4" 240lb power hitters.

Yeah, and we had a lineup full of those guys and we lived and died by the homerun all year long. Great post.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37837 posts
Posted on 6/22/13 at 11:59 pm to
LSU didn't play well in the CWS. That's easy.

LSU wouldn't have won this CWS with the way they performed EVEN IF they were a small ball team.

I don't get why people can't see that LSU playing bad AND the CWS venue sucks as mutually exclusive to one another.

Any team... UNC, OSU, LSU, etc all of a sudden has to play softball after winning 50+ games throughout the season. Adapt? Adapt to what? The final ball park?

What the CWS does now is in essence of taking a great college basketball team, have them play 35 games plus, then getting into the NCAA Tourney and lowering the rims to 8" to help out the less tall teams. It's a joke.
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