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Is optimism for 2013 football = delusional homerism?

Posted on 5/19/13 at 12:12 pm
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31159 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 12:12 pm
The losses on defense plus the complete breakdown of the defense in the last 4 games should be cause for concern. But then I think about all the freshmen that had playing time and the seniors/juniors who basically checked out and mailed it in after the Bama loss. And I can't decide where we really stand. I think we'll be better but most of us are eternal optimists when it comes to LSU football.

So is the optimism warranted or are we being a bunch of homers by expecting a good season? It's hard to make that determination right now.
Posted by oldcharlie8
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2012
7808 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 12:13 pm to
if we go 9-3, i'd be very satisfied.

Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
77596 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 12:14 pm to
If we didn't have Cameron coming in, I think it would be delusional homerism. Because of him, I think expecting 10 wins is reasonable. 8 if Les doesn't let him run the offense
Posted by jptiger2009
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2009
9616 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 12:17 pm to
I'd like to think that the winner of the sec west will have 2 loses this season, giving us a legit chance at getting to atlanta. Then, I take another look at bama's schedule and reality sets in.
Posted by lsutothetop
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 5/19/13 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

It's hard to make that determination right now.

then why are you asking us
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76523 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 12:48 pm to
My first thought is that with this schedule we will lose a couple games. Although I think it's wrong to say the defense collapsed last year bc the defense played well against clemsons offense.

But then 2011 gives me hope. That schedule was just as tough and I expected 3-4 losses then too.
Posted by byubengalboy
Cypress, tx.
Member since Nov 2008
3719 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 1:05 pm to
there are a number of reasons to be optimistic.

1) lots of skill talent.

2) what should be a very solid oline.

3) expected improvement from Mett.

4) culture change on offense led by Cam.

5) good depth at lb.

6) John freakn' Chavis.

there are also areas of concern.

1) dline depth.

2) young corners.

3) kicking game.

4) team leaders.

5) Jeremy freakn' Hill.

I expect us to be good to very good and if Mett blossoms we will have the points and ability to control the rock that should mitigate any perceived falloff on denfense.



getting better.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68891 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 1:06 pm to
We are at the point where we shouldnt expect too much drop off from one season to the next.

Essentially ur 2 most important defensive ciaches are still here. Haley and Chavis.

Bama won back to back titles, and i believe the 11 tean was better than the 12 team.

So no its nit delusional. The delusion comes from fans thinkung we lose 4 games, then want the coach fired for losing 1.
Posted by wesman21
Youngsville
Member since Jun 2009
2926 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 1:13 pm to
IMO, the offense can only get better. I'm slightly worried about the offensive line and that is about it.

On defense we have all of the talent to be competitive against all of our opponents, but we will struggle to be dominant against the best teams.

I don't think a double digit win is out of the question. IMO the season will be a success if we beat two out Bama, Florida, UGA and TAM. I think we will win three...
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Dystopia (but well cared for)
Member since Mar 2012
25235 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

So is the optimism warranted or are we being a bunch of homers by expecting a good season?

I think our D will be very good but I would be surprised if they look like an elite top 5 top D. If Coach Cameron can get Zach comfortable making 10-15 yard quick throws, with Odell and Landry in the slots where they belong, a healthy and good OL, I see no reason why our shot at ATL isn't as good as any one else. We lost by a score to UF and UA, beat A&M by a score. There isn't the separation that some perceive.
Posted by LSUdubai
Dubai, UAE
Member since Oct 2010
254 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 1:51 pm to
Nope. With Chavis being confident, I'm confident. As per an advocate article from yesterday:

quote:

“I think the first 11 we put on the field will be as good as any in the country,” Chavis said. “The thing we’ve got to do is build that depth.” Depth also took a hit with the loss of players like senior defensive end Lavar Edwards, also drafted in the fifth round by the Tennessee Titans. But despite that, Chavis didn’t shy away from expectations born by having the nation’s eighth-ranked total defense last year. “I’m excited,” Chavis said. “We’ve recruited well enough to have expectations. Tradition doesn’t graduate. It’s still here.”
Posted by peopleschamp
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
6576 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 2:23 pm to
Maybe the defense wore down because of constant 3 and outs by the offense. The offense was completely inept.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66819 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 2:26 pm to
I think people are forgetting that he have had major turnover on Defense before, lost tons of talent on defense before, and had very good defenses with less overall talent than this one.

Don't forget we had a championship caliber defense in 2009, 2010, 2011, and ill go ahead and say 2012.

The change in OC and the returning offensive talent is cause to be otimistic,

IN CHAVIS WE TRUST
Posted by otowntiger
O-Town
Member since Jan 2004
15651 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 2:45 pm to
I'd say yes. Especialy to those who think we're going to win the SEC and compete for an mnc.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78943 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 2:57 pm to
Just look at the two deep.
And then tell me you still feel bad.
Sure we are losing guys, but damn we have some young talent.
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 5:14 pm to
I'm counting on 9/3, anything else is icing on the cake. With Bama's schedule they have the SEC gift wrapped And under the tree. Johnny FB will take himself out of the pic by doing something really stupid.
Posted by DrD
Houston
Member since Jan 2010
2612 posts
Posted on 5/19/13 at 10:43 pm to
I think 2013 will be the "calm before the storm." LSU lately had been pretty much enshrined by the media as one of the very best college football programs - and rightfully so. The staple has been great defense, special teams, and mediocre offense. With all the defensive players we lost to the NFL it's natural for everyone to expect a rebuilding season on defense. That's o.k.

LSU "should" be a juggernaut offensively (and I don't say this tongue and cheek). We have a legitimate pro-style (pro-bound) QB running the offense in his 2nd year. We have quality and depth at all the skill positions. Pass blocking will need to be at a premium. With a pro-style offensive coordinator who will actually call a screen pass every now and then and maybe a few end arounds we will/should outscore everyone on the schedule - except maybe ATM.

By the time the Tigers get their rotations set on defense after TCU, UAB, and Kent State it will be time for the experienced offense and game-ready defense to bring their A games for 1st round of SEC action against Aub, UGA, and MState. Assuming..... LSU somehow manages to post all W's in the first half of the seaon then it's "ON" for 2nd half of season.

Florida will be another quality game in Tiger Stadium and then it's Ole Miss and Furman. Let's arse-u-me again that we are hitting on all cylinders and go into last gauntlet of season unscratched on the scoreboard and healthy.

Bye week and then the Crimson Tide. Most people give us a pretty solid "L" in that game but if we're 9-0 I don't think the Tigers will be so accommodating. Then it's another bye week and no matter how the 'Bama game plays out the ATM game will be huge from a national implication standpoint. Great scheduling by the way for LSU! Ark. awaits following Sat. (not Friday) in Tiger Stadium to conclude regular season.

If the Tigers can make it 11-1 with their schedule they will/should have a great chance to be considered for BCS title again. Going to take a lot of maturity early for the team but very possible. We all know Miles recruits the best players in the county. Looking forward to 2013 season already! Geaux Tigers!
Posted by munchman
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
10323 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 6:35 am to
My take is that the stars on defense last yr. were a little overated and two, not trying to get injured. Hence their mediocre play the last four games.

The defense this yr. will be fine. They certainly will be more hungry than last yrs. bunch.
Posted by SOL
Garland, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2950 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 7:31 am to
Kiper doesn't think we finish top 10.

I say 12 to 20
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18681 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 9:15 am to
I haven't read through the comments, but here is my take.

Every year the team loses players that everyone can't fathom how the team will be competitive without them.

Each year someone steps up and the team does fine. Sure there may be a drop off at that position, say corner back. Yet a line backer becomes the best player, and the team does fine.

Also, keep in mind that every team in the country lost key players as well.

Sure the Tigers are rebuilding their defensive line, but most of the new players have seen significant action thus far.

The sky is not falling.
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