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re: Why does "How I met.." get love, but "The Big Bang..." gets hate?
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:23 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:23 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
Yeah, what a huge leap to call signing off on this statement as misogynist:
First, it argues that it's a "chick show", as if that's inherently bad. Then, there's a statement that only men in relationships get "roped into" watching it. And this was as a critique of why the show isn't that good. Essentially, the "boom" argument is that the show appeals to women. Oh, and that it's like Friends, a wildly popular show that also appealed to women.
How is that NOT a misogynist argument?
And yes, I think Friends was a better show than Seinfeld, mainly because I think Seinfeld is an aggressively mean-spirited show. All of the main characters are horrible people who repeatedly do awful things to each other and their acquaintances. Sure, a show like Always Sunny is the same way, but the central joke is how terrible they are, and they are routinely punished for being awful people. Seinfeld glorifies their narcissism and misanthropy.
As a viewer, I found it exhausting. It's still a a good, funny show, but I actually don't enjoy it on rewatch and I was never invested in the characters. It's a show that was terrified of genuine human emotion. As I've grown older, I've drifted away from things that are mean for the sake of being mean. But I digress. To tie this back into our current discussion, I feel that BBT is also an aggressively mean-spirited show while HIMYM is not. HIMYM shares the hopeful nature of Friends while BBT shares the misanthropy of Seinfeld.
And I far prefer the show with actual characters rounding out into fully formed people.
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HIMYM is more of a chick show that boyfriends and husbands get roped into, then natural affinity develops on the boyfriend/husband side once they get invested in the characters.
First, it argues that it's a "chick show", as if that's inherently bad. Then, there's a statement that only men in relationships get "roped into" watching it. And this was as a critique of why the show isn't that good. Essentially, the "boom" argument is that the show appeals to women. Oh, and that it's like Friends, a wildly popular show that also appealed to women.
How is that NOT a misogynist argument?
And yes, I think Friends was a better show than Seinfeld, mainly because I think Seinfeld is an aggressively mean-spirited show. All of the main characters are horrible people who repeatedly do awful things to each other and their acquaintances. Sure, a show like Always Sunny is the same way, but the central joke is how terrible they are, and they are routinely punished for being awful people. Seinfeld glorifies their narcissism and misanthropy.
As a viewer, I found it exhausting. It's still a a good, funny show, but I actually don't enjoy it on rewatch and I was never invested in the characters. It's a show that was terrified of genuine human emotion. As I've grown older, I've drifted away from things that are mean for the sake of being mean. But I digress. To tie this back into our current discussion, I feel that BBT is also an aggressively mean-spirited show while HIMYM is not. HIMYM shares the hopeful nature of Friends while BBT shares the misanthropy of Seinfeld.
And I far prefer the show with actual characters rounding out into fully formed people.
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:28 am to Baloo
I'm reading everything Baloo is writing in this thread in Adam Carolla's rant voice and cadence. 
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:29 am to Baloo
quote:well, Seinfeld was also being created during a time period when shows like Full House and Family Matters, yackfests of morality were hitting their stride.
e I think Seinfeld is an aggressively mean-spirited show. All of the main characters are horrible people who repeatedly do awful things to each other and their acquaintances. Sure, a show like Always Sunny is the same way, but the central joke is how terrible they are, and they are routinely punished for being awful people. Seinfeld glorifies their narcissism and misanthropy.
Seinfeld was forged as a partial backlash to the bubblegum, cookie cutter, after school special type shows.
It's easy to look back now and call them mean now...because they were essentially the first and we've been inundated with copycats.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:34 am to Baloo
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First, it argues that it's a "chick show", as if that's inherently bad. Then, there's a statement that only men in relationships get "roped into" watching it. And this was as a critique of why the show isn't that good. Essentially, the "boom" argument is that the show appeals to women. Oh, and that it's like Friends, a wildly popular show that also appealed to women.
How is that NOT a misogynist argument?
And yes, I think Friends was a better show than Seinfeld, mainly because I think Seinfeld is an aggressively mean-spirited show. All of the main characters are horrible people who repeatedly do awful things to each other and their acquaintances. Sure, a show like Always Sunny is the same way, but the central joke is how terrible they are, and they are routinely punished for being awful people. Seinfeld glorifies their narcissism and misanthropy.
As a viewer, I found it exhausting. It's still a a good, funny show, but I actually don't enjoy it on rewatch and I was never invested in the characters. It's a show that was terrified of genuine human emotion. As I've grown older, I've drifted away from things that are mean for the sake of being mean. But I digress. To tie this back into our current discussion, I feel that BBT is also an aggressively mean-spirited show while HIMYM is not. HIMYM shares the hopeful nature of Friends while BBT shares the misanthropy of Seinfeld.
And I far prefer the show with actual characters rounding out into fully formed people.
I've tried to pinpoint why I haven't REALLY enjoye Seinfeld when I rewatch it. I mean, I thought it was brilliant only some short years ago. Brilliant AND rewatchable, honestly. I've seen some episodes 5 and 6 times thanks to TBS. But something is different in that show and my expectations now, that's a really solid point.
This post was edited on 2/26/13 at 10:37 am
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:38 am to Baloo
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How is that NOT a misogynist argument?
Because if you read the OP the topic is why does this board give one love over the other.
This board is what? 99% male and a female show gets more love?
Don't play the sex card.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:39 am to Baloo
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HIMYM shares the hopeful nature of Friends while BBT shares the misanthropy of Seinfeld.
I don't really agree with the BBT portion of this statement. Sure, Sheldon is a dick, but he also sometimes comes around and can be a nice guy. All of the rest of the people crack jokes about each other, but it's all in fun. I don't find it to be mean spirited at all. It's a group of friends who really seem to care about each other, and they do help each other when needed. They also aren't typically assholes to everyone around them.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:39 am to Baloo
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Sure, a show like Always Sunny is the same way, but the central joke is how terrible they are
I've always found this to be a central theme to Seinfeld.
They got thrown in jail for being such assholes.
The problem with Friends and HIMYM is that these shows aren't funny.
I prefer sitcoms that are funny.
But I cracked a smile when you said that Friends is a better show than Seinfeld. That was pretty funny, and is more than I can say for HIMYM, which I have watched a couple of times, never once coming close to cracking a smile, because, like I said, I prefer my sitcoms to be funny.
Posted on 2/26/13 at 2:07 pm to Baloo
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And I far prefer the show with actual characters rounding out into fully formed people.
This is the main thing that sets HIMYM apart, and that often separates good shows from bad shows in general, imo.
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