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re: Beckham fumble????
Posted on 10/8/12 at 5:48 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Posted on 10/8/12 at 5:48 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Happened in the Saints game last week against the Packers in the 4th quarter. Clearly a fumble but it couldn't be reviewed, not only because McCarthy was out of timeouts but it couldn't be reviewed because the play was blown dead. If a whistle is blown signaling that the play is dead, the play can't be reviewed (at least in the NFL).
Read my post. Clear recovery. The Sproles fumble resulted in a pile up. This one there was only 1 Tiger in the frame and he was on the ground.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 5:54 pm to OceanMan
OceanMan - not taking issue with your post, just trying to understand the rule. Do you know how many attempts to execute a "clear revoery" are allowed or how long afterwards the action is allowed to continue?
In the OBJ fumble there were two Gator players on-site. Had the first one even as so much as bobbled it does the play end then or would the second player be given a chance? Does it matter how far away from the fumble site a recovery is allowed?
In the OBJ fumble there were two Gator players on-site. Had the first one even as so much as bobbled it does the play end then or would the second player be given a chance? Does it matter how far away from the fumble site a recovery is allowed?
Posted on 10/8/12 at 5:56 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:Exactly.
From the link JaxTigah provided:
quote:
c. Live ball ruled dead in possession of a runner when the clear recovery of a loose
ball occurs in the immediate continuing action following the loose ball.
1. If the ball is ruled dead and the replay official does not have indisputable video evidence as to which team recovers, the dead-ball ruling stands.
2. If the replay official rules that the ball was not dead, it belongs to the recovering team at the spot of the recovery and any advance is nullified.
Not sure if these are quotes from an official rule book are not but they're leave a lot of ambiguity on the field. I mean, how long is the "immediate continuing action" allowed? Had the UF player's first attempt to recover it been bobbled, is he allowed a second attempt? Could an LSU player approaching the play get in on the action?
The rule used to be that once the ref blew the whistle the play was dead and the ball would have gone back to the last possessing team.
I guess the rule was changed when they went to replay review.
Terrible rule and potentially invites injury.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 5:57 pm to PurpleAndGold86
quote:
Is something different in college than NFL, because in the NFL this isn't true.
Wrong
Posted on 10/8/12 at 6:01 pm to tigerpimpbot
the one I found really funny was the review of the "to many men on the field". How can a flag be thrown, then picked up and said there was no flag, then a coach review it to recount? It got me at first as the player got off the field but he was # 13. I just didn't realise you can challenge a non call
Posted on 10/8/12 at 6:05 pm to coonass27
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the one I found really funny was the review of the "to many men on the field". How can a flag be thrown, then picked up and said there was no flag, then a coach review it to recount? It got me at first as the player got off the field but he was # 13. I just didn't realise you can challenge a non call
That was fricked up. But the OBJ fumble was almost exactly like Romo vs. Tampa when they blew the whistle for a pass but the ball went right to Tampa dude who ran it in. Tampa got the ball, but no TD.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 6:07 pm to tigerpimpbot
quote:So the ref's whistle does not necessarily end the play. What moron thought that was a good rule?
That was fricked up. But the OBJ fumble was almost exactly like Romo vs. Tampa when they blew the whistle for a pass but the ball went right to Tampa dude who ran it in. Tampa got the ball, but no TD.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 6:20 pm to LSUAlum2001
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They can overturn a fumble on review if it is obvious who recovers it even with a blown whistle.
So you should give 100% until the whistle is blown*
* Unless the ball is fumbled, then you still should go 100%
Posted on 10/8/12 at 6:20 pm to TX Tiger
Yeah, the fumble was obvious on replay but my group was having the same discussion before the call was made about who keeps the ball since the whistle was blown and therefore (we thought) the play was dead prior to UF recovering. Had the whistle not blown, any number of things could have happened on that play, so this officiating mistake could have affected the game (though not as much as the actual fumble--these turnovers are killers!)
Posted on 10/8/12 at 6:30 pm to TX Tiger
The corporate banking fascist elite ruled it Florida's ball...
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:03 pm to Jim Rockford
I believe he was trying to make a big play happen, maybe even score. What would you have said if he scored a TD. He didn't just run out of bounds like some receivers.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:04 pm to LSURussian
quote:Those bastards!
The corporate banking fascist elite ruled it Florida's ball...
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:06 pm to cajunjim
He was trying to finish the play but did you see how he was carrying the ball. I assure you, since the time he was in little league, he has never been coached to carry the ball away from his body with the inside arm. Basic ball security fail on that one.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:20 pm to JaxTigah
Not even going to read the second page of this thread. The answer was given near the bottom of the first page. Thanks for that answer as I was wondering the same thing... remembered seeing the exact same thing happen in another game the week before.
To all you idiots that kept saying on the first page "it was clearly a fumble", why do you even post stupid shite like that. Nobody is questioning if he fumbled the ball or not, the question only had to do with the whistle and its bearing on who the REFS award the ball to!
To all you idiots that kept saying on the first page "it was clearly a fumble", why do you even post stupid shite like that. Nobody is questioning if he fumbled the ball or not, the question only had to do with the whistle and its bearing on who the REFS award the ball to!
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:22 pm to crazyLSUfan
I was screaming you cant replay a dead ball. But maybe thats in the nfl. Refs bkew whistle before ball was recovered. But it was a clear fumble. I thought it should be our ball on account of refs making a mistake. Ive seen it in other games where the play couldnt be replayed cus the ball was dead.
This post was edited on 10/8/12 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:26 pm to JaxTigah
Having worked during the game, I didn't actually see this play. Is there a valid youtube link to it?
For the life of me, I thought a whistle blew the play dead, and the last team in possession prior to the whistle would keep possession. Even an early or inadvertent whistle. Because the whistle is supposed to signal the end of the play, and you're supposed to ease up.
For the life of me, I thought a whistle blew the play dead, and the last team in possession prior to the whistle would keep possession. Even an early or inadvertent whistle. Because the whistle is supposed to signal the end of the play, and you're supposed to ease up.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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quote:
clear recovery of a fumble can result in a change in posession regardless of whistle blown by ref (in NFL). Believe it is the same in college.
Yep, the only thing the whistle counted for was not allowing the ball to be advanced. You can still overturn the possession.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:57 pm to Shanesix
How about protect the ball so the there isn't a need to review anything?
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:58 pm to JaxTigah
Its a bad rule it basically says the replay official can over rule that the ball was dead
Here is the problem, official blows play dead. one side stops playing as the official blew the whistle- if you keep playing and hit the opposing team that would be a personal foul
If the other team keeps playing and recovers the ball according to this bad rule they get the ball!
and this is exactly what happened. Legal according to rule book but a bad rule
Here is the problem, official blows play dead. one side stops playing as the official blew the whistle- if you keep playing and hit the opposing team that would be a personal foul
If the other team keeps playing and recovers the ball according to this bad rule they get the ball!
and this is exactly what happened. Legal according to rule book but a bad rule
Posted on 10/8/12 at 8:05 pm to Scoob
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For the life of me, I thought a whistle blew the play dead, and the last team in possession prior to the whistle would keep possession
It was that way when replay first started. Everyone remembers the old "Inadvertant Whistles". It changed a couple of years ago. You can make a recovery of a fumble even after the whistle blows but it can not be advanced. If it had not been a "clear" recovery of the fumble by UF, LSU would have kept the ball at the spot of the fumble.
ETA: anyone who saw the Texas Oklahoma State game, the ball was fumbled by Texas before a touchdown was ruled but the ball was still awarded to Texas because there was supposedly not a "clear recovery" by Ok State. That was a real hosing because that was 7 points.
This post was edited on 10/8/12 at 8:08 pm
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