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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:41 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:41 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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That PDF is 37 pages long
Longer than what GRRM has written for TWoW in the past 6 months. :rimshot:.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:21 am to ladytiger118
Don't know the time frame during which GNC was written, but more than a few of its main points were discussed here...not saying we have been plagerized, cuz a lot of GNC is hard to call theory...more like reading comprehension on an ungodly meticulous scale. The detail and character by character arc tracing took a shite load of hard work for sure, and really supports a lot some of us suspected-Lady Dustin's loyalty, for example.
I felt stupid on my first read of it...i hadnt traced the missing swords in WF crypt to Hodor & Co. till GNC.
DOH!
I felt stupid on my first read of it...i hadnt traced the missing swords in WF crypt to Hodor & Co. till GNC.
DOH!
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:24 am to ladytiger118
So I guess I missed the season 3 commentary it came from, but from what I was reading tonight the producers mentioned that Iwan Rheon (Ramsay Snow) was actually their #2 choice for the role of Jon Snow. That info kinda both surprised and saddened me.
Not that Kit has been terrible as Jon or anything (most of Jon's problem in the show come more from the directors overall), but he never really fit the role all that well for me and isn't a great actor. And Iwan on the other hand is an excellent actor with tremendous range.
I know Kit has his fans, but am I alone in thinking Iwan would have made a much better Jon Snow?
Not that Kit has been terrible as Jon or anything (most of Jon's problem in the show come more from the directors overall), but he never really fit the role all that well for me and isn't a great actor. And Iwan on the other hand is an excellent actor with tremendous range.
I know Kit has his fans, but am I alone in thinking Iwan would have made a much better Jon Snow?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:26 am to 19
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but more than a few of its main points were discussed here...not saying we have been plagerized, cuz a lot of GNC is hard to call theory...more like reading comprehension on an ungodly meticulous scale.
Well one of the main people discussing it here got most of it from the ASOIAF website to begin with, I forget her name at the moment. It was heavily discussed over there mostly.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:32 am to auyushu
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Not that Kit has been terrible as Jon or anything (most of Jon's problem in the show come more from the directors overall), but he never really fit the role all that well for me and isn't a great actor. And Iwan on the other hand is an excellent actor with tremendous range.
I know Kit has his fans, but am I alone in thinking Iwan would have made a much better Jon Snow?
To be fair Jon Snow is a pretty bland role, especially compare to Ramsay
Not saying that you're wrong, but even in the source material Jon Snow's baseline emotion is either sullen or bitter. Not a whole lot to work with if you're an actor
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:42 am to Cockopotamus
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Not saying that you're wrong, but even in the source material Jon Snow's baseline emotion is either sullen or bitter. Not a whole lot to work with if you're an actor
While he has his sullen/bitter moments in the source material, it's really the TV show that's made him total broodmode. He does a lot of transforming in books 2 and 3. And of course even more in book 5. But I would agree he's a bit more bland than a moustache twirling villain like Ramsay, but there is still quite a bit of range there for a good actor.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:45 am to auyushu
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So I guess I missed the season 3 commentary it came from, but from what I was reading tonight the producers mentioned that Iwan Rheon (Ramsay Snow) was actually their #2 choice for the role of Jon Snow. That info kinda both surprised and saddened me.
Not that Kit has been terrible as Jon or anything (most of Jon's problem in the show come more from the directors overall), but he never really fit the role all that well for me and isn't a great actor. And Iwan on the other hand is an excellent actor with tremendous range.
I know Kit has his fans, but am I alone in thinking Iwan would have made a much better Jon Snow?
i dont think kit is good at all. shitty writing, ill give him that, but he's just not a very good actor. book jon is so mucn better that it's stupid
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:15 am to Carson123987
For the most part, casting on the show has been spectacular. They've consistently hit it out of the park over and over again. I think the casting director expected more of Kit than was (has been) delivered, but I will refrain from full judgment until after he is named LC, or at least the alamo episode, where Kit has more development to work with.
Physically, he's a great Jon Snow. So far, I'd have to agree he seems to have attended the Kristen Stewart school of acting.
Physically, he's a great Jon Snow. So far, I'd have to agree he seems to have attended the Kristen Stewart school of acting.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:19 am to 19
yeah, Jon has been pretty damn emo in the show. Hoping Kit is better when he has to "kill the boy"
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:20 am to 19
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So far, I'd have to agree he seems to have attended the Kristen Stewart school of acting.
Yeah, pretty much this. Jon Snow and Cersei were the only ones I felt were not the best casting from the beginning (and Headey has been solid since season 2 even if she doesn't have the look for Cersei).
I guess we'll see if he can turn it around at all with what he has to work with this season.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:25 am to auyushu
Iwan, IMO, still doesn't fit my idea of Ramsey at all...especially physical description from the text...but I can abide him in that role a lot easier than as Jon Snow.
Michael Pitt is Ramsey, in my mind. The psychotic look should be a natural expression, not forced.
Michael Pitt is Ramsey, in my mind. The psychotic look should be a natural expression, not forced.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:30 am to auyushu
See, and I thought Heady was an amazing choice as Cersei. Only Jeffrey was more spot -on casting - wise IMO.
The Hound, Varys, LF, Arya and Sansa...All casting HR in my book. Among others.
Eta: Area. Stupid phone still learning names.
The Hound, Varys, LF, Arya and Sansa...All casting HR in my book. Among others.
Eta: Area. Stupid phone still learning names.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 1:32 am
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:37 am to 19
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See, and I thought Heady was an amazing choice as Cersei.
She's not even close to being sultry enough to be the Cersei from the books. Book Cersei is winning people to her cause by promising they will get to bang her. Headey has hit the bitch queen part just fine, but she lacks the other side of Cersei completely. She was also fairly terrible as Cersei during the first season IMO, nothing but bitchface whether it was needed or not. But she hit her stride in season 2 and has been very solid ever since. at least in the acting department. She still doesn't look the role.
I'd agree on Pitt for making a good book Ramsay.
As for Iwan and Jon Snow, most of my thinking on that comes from watching the series Misfits, where Iwan played a sullen, isolated character who transforms into a total badass leader and knocks it out of the park in the role. He might be a little short for the role, but not like that hasn't been overcome before.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 1:38 am
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:37 pm to auyushu
The GNC and the thought that Dawn is the original Lightbringer just brings back the question of 'where is Arthur Dayne'. We know he likely isn't dead.
Jamie says that he "could kill all of us with his left hand while taking a piss with his right", so we know it is highly unlikely Ned killed him. Ned gets really sad when telling Bran that Dayne would have killed him if not for Howland, who stepped in the way. Writing on the wall, IMO, that Howland died here. I just don't see there being a reason for Ned's extreme sadness unless Howland took the blow for him.
This is my favorite loose end. I'm going with the obvious and saying that Dawn is buried in the crypts, along with something else. It definitely doesn't make sense that Lyanna is the only female, let alone king, buried there. Even if she was the Queen of Westeros, I still don't think it would warrant her being buried there.
Jamie says that he "could kill all of us with his left hand while taking a piss with his right", so we know it is highly unlikely Ned killed him. Ned gets really sad when telling Bran that Dayne would have killed him if not for Howland, who stepped in the way. Writing on the wall, IMO, that Howland died here. I just don't see there being a reason for Ned's extreme sadness unless Howland took the blow for him.
This is my favorite loose end. I'm going with the obvious and saying that Dawn is buried in the crypts, along with something else. It definitely doesn't make sense that Lyanna is the only female, let alone king, buried there. Even if she was the Queen of Westeros, I still don't think it would warrant her being buried there.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:47 pm to skirpnasty
About as Crackpot as it gets. Why would Dayne stop fighting then? I doubt he would be particularly devastated over Howland's death, and he died defending Robert's best friend.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:49 pm to skirpnasty
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he "could kill all of us with his left hand while taking a piss with his right", so we know it is highly unlikely Ned killed him.
Except, Howland probably knows more about a poisons that Oberyn, and more than likely used that knowledge in the fight.
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IMO, that Howland died here.
The Jojen Reed does not exist.
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Dawn is buried in the crypts,
Ned would never do such a thing. Dawn is a BIG DEAL to the Daynes. It's not just the family valyrian sword, if a Dayne family member is not worthy of carrying the sword, then it just sits there. And there's also this:
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Dawn remains at Starfall, until another Sword of the Morning shall arise.
That's from George himself.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:02 pm to thatguy1892
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Dawn remains at Starfall, until another Sword of the Morning shall arise.
That's from George himself.
do you guys think Dawn will arise in the series? if so, who will wield it?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:10 pm to Gugich22
Depends on what Gerold Dayne is up to. Sure, he tried to kill Myrcella, but remember she is an abomination that would have/should have been killed at birth. So what he attempted wasn't truly against the law.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:15 pm to thatguy1892
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The Jojen Reed does not exist.
Its stated many times that we don't know how old the Reed children are, because they age differently. This is ignoring the fact that with Jojen being a sickly kid at this point in time, he could easily be as old or older than Jon/Robb.
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Ned would never do such a thing. Dawn is a BIG DEAL to the Daynes. It's not just the family valyrian sword, if a Dayne family member is not worthy of carrying the sword, then it just sits there.
This probably changes if Dayne yields to Ned. The only thing better than death defending Jon, for Dayne, would be an oath to protect him later in life IMO. Under this scenario, Dayne is still fulfilling his vow, defending the king. I think he comes up in the story, and maybe we have already seen him and don't know it. Dawn is a big deal to them, but what if Dayne had figured out that Dawn was Lightbringer via Rhaegar? Then wouldn't it make a little more sense for him to leave the sword to Jon? Under the assumption that Jon is TPTWP/AA?
IF he isn't dead, think there is a decent chance that he is Mance. Given Mance's father like protection of Jon. Him traveling to the feast as a bard and watching Jon. His skill with a sword that he obviously got somewhere other than the wall. The wildling woman patching his cloak spurring him to leave the wall, hinting to a previous loyalty to his house. Not to mention that north is the only place he could go where people wouldn't know him as Arthur Dayne.
Its crackpot for sure, but would be pretty cool. And he is brought up as much as any knight in ASOIAF. No reason that he would be mentioned more than Duncan the Tall, someone that we have separate books about, unless he or his family contribute significantly to the plot.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:21 pm to thatguy1892
I can't see Darkstar wielding Dawn. He's about the complete opposite from Athur Dayne than I can imagine and just don't see how anyone will trust him with that sword.
Plus, if it were sitting somewhere in House Dayne, and he was worthy of carrying it, he would have it already.
Plus, if it were sitting somewhere in House Dayne, and he was worthy of carrying it, he would have it already.
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